Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Mimilu]

Mimi's Wishful Predictions for WHM Buffs Post-Stormblood's Release
-Confession stacks will no longer have a timer and will be permanent until use. To compensate, Plenary Indulgence will have its cooldown time drastically increased.
-Regen will have a 50% chance to give the user a Lily whenever it Crits.
-Divine Benision will only cost 1 Lily and will not burn the rest of the user's Lilies away.
-PvE Fluid Aura will get its damage back but loose the Knockback-effect.

[javid]

What time is the letter? And did they give a heads up what it's about?

[Aramina]

What time is the letter? And did they give a heads up what it's about?

Letter from the Producer LIVE at E3 2017

We’ll be hosting the E3 edition of the Letter from the Producer LIVE where Yoshi-P will use the opportunity to answer questions from the official forum!

When
Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 4:30 p.m. (PDT)

URLs

Square Enix Presents (YouTube) To be announced
Square Enix (Twitch) (http://sqex.to/twitch)
* Presented in English and Japanese.

Themes
Join Naoki Yoshida as he discusses the latest information regarding the upcoming launch of Stormblood! You won’t want to miss it!

[Xaen]

I think SE is planning on obtaining questions from their OF to use in their upcoming live letter tomorrow, so just a heads up for all us worried WHMs out there. Please ask some questions, maybe some will get answered.

Any Specific Time for this ?

[Jerbob]

Personal opinion warning!

People want to be WHM to be an instrument of divine power.

I think I am probably in the minority here, but this is one of the things I increasingly dislike about XIV's iteration of WHM. White Mages throughout Final Fantasy have had connections to divinity and prayer (eg. Holy, Pray), but for me they are first and foremost mages, not priests. Healing is so often connected to religion and divinity in fantasy games, and I always found White Mage to be a refreshing semi-departure from that trope. For me, the defining aspect of White Mages (and White Magic in general) is that it's about compassion and the desire to help, not being the instrument of some divine power. Conjurer taking a nature-themed path was something I welcomed in XIV.

The names of Tetragrammaton and Assize, and terms like "Confession" and "Indulgence" - these things seem very alien to me as a White Mage fan. I believe the term "Indulgence" even refers to members of a church literally selling people a place in heaven! I can't imagine a less White Mage thing to do.

Astrologian has the idea of reinterpreting fate, SCH has the "military tactician" aspect. I'd like to see XIV's WHM go forward using its Conjurer origins, and for its theme focus on compassion and protection. Defying an enemy's attempts to bring low the people you want to protect, and removing their pain in the process - that is White Mage to me, and what the red-on-white triangles represent. However, I suspect the "divine conduit" idea has many more fans. To each their own!

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Mimi's Wishful Predictions for WHM Buffs Post-Stormblood's Release
-Confession stacks will no longer have a timer and will be permanent until use. To compensate, Plenary Indulgence will have its cooldown time drastically increased.

Nice idea.
However, even if confessions change, I don't think Plenary needs to be nerfed because of it. WHM doesn't have anything in it's entire toolkit that feels truly powerful or borderline broken.
AST has cards and buff extensions, which leads to some very powerful results. SCH has CRIT shielding, which again, leads to some extremely powerful results.
WHM doesn't have anything that makes you feel like a god for a few seconds, so if anything Plenary should get a buff. Let it a be a constant AOE heal we can dish out whenever we meet the requirements

[Reiryuu]

snip

Just pointing out you might have forgotten something:

Fifth Astral Era
~3000 (YA) ---
Eorzeans discover magic and ultimately bring about the end of the Fifth Umbral Era and usher in the Fifth Astral Era.
Shatotto, a very talented thaumaturge, casts Meteor to bring down a 'Star' and uses the fragments to create the Stardust Rod.
Many White Mages abuse their power and ultimately cause the Sixth Umbral era to be ushered in. As a result the art dies out.
Grand Companies come together to prepare for the Sixth Umbral era.

Sixth Umbral Era - Element: Water
~1572 (YA) ---
A Great Flood submerges and damages many parts of Eorzea. Caused by the abuse of power with the White Mages, as a result the art begins to die out.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...rzean-Timeline.

While I can agree that as the WoL we would want to bring about the good aspects of the job, sometimes the "good" of something is about restraining the "evil" and using that for the greater good. WHMs have caused destruction, they're not all heals.

[Austie13]

Jerbob

I totally agree! When I saw the names of the new abilities I got bummed they are continuing to push whm toward the divine servant rather than nature based good do-er. For the more holy based abilities I just assumed it was more like ability to manipulate the aether from the lifestream (think Y'shtola's ability to do so) rather than a deity granting the whm some sort of power.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I totally agree! When I saw the names of the new abilities I got bummed they are continuing to push whm toward the divine servant rather than nature based good do-er. For the more holy based abilities I just assumed it was more like ability to manipulate the aether from the lifestream (think Y'shtola's ability to do so) rather than a deity granting the whm some sort of power.

It really really sucks. Remember Y'shtola's ultimate move. That spell that looked like it combined all the elements for one massive attack. I wanted something like that.
But SE is hung up on giving us nothing but heals and the occasional stone spell. Sigh. Would have loved to see amazing spells like Tornado and Quake.

[Cyrocco]

Has White Mage ever traditionally been a nature based job though? I don't believe previous games had White Mages leaning towards either nature or the church-type though. Hopefully we can chalk it up to spells learned from someone who originates from Ishgard? They're big on churches.