Ninja

[Klarkus]

How are you going to get TCJ in with the second trick attack when it takes 20 seconds for ninjutsu? You've still gotta wait for it as TCJ isn't a skill it's just a combo which means when you cast suiton you get 10 seconds before trick attack the 10 seconds during trick attack then you can cast TCJ which will be the end of vulnerability. So it won't work.

Never mind I didn't know it was an actual skill. In which case from the video it definitely does reset ninjitsu so you will be able to get the TCJ combos in with trick attack. Gg.

[Arkenne]

I think I'll go with this one
Covers everything I want, altho the pot usage still feels iffy for TA's sake it might just work (I better invest in some SkS).

If for whatever reason TCJ counts the mudra reset on its cast as the 1st one, all I lose is a 360 potency Suiton outside TA there, I rather have a guaranteed crit 360 potency Raiton in TA if thats the case.

[Laflama_Blanca]

TCJ does not line up with the 2nd trick attack in any of the proposed openers so far.

With the Bhavacakra opener you are using 1st trick at ~8 seconds and TCJ will be ready around ~43 seconds (depending on auto attack speed, just an estimate). 2nd trick comes out around 68 seconds, so 2nd Bhava should also be able to line up in trick attack, which is nice. 2nd TCJ comes off of cooldown around 143 seconds, so it could be worked into the 4th trick attack or use the last Suiton to start trick attack.

With TA before 1st TCJ opener, you can also work TCJ into your 3rd TA by delaying it slightly. The Suiton from TCJ #3 could also be used to start TA #5.

[Arkenne]

TCJ does not line up with the 2nd trick attack in any of the proposed openers so far.

Uuh... but I was looking for an opener that could have TCJ on the first TA?
Besides, given the nature of Ninki generation, I find the alignments of CDs with Ninki skills rather unreliable outside the first 20 seconds...
Past that it seems like it will really differ depending on the battle.

[Laflama_Blanca]

Uuh... but I was looking for an opener that could have TCJ on the first TA?
Besides, given the nature of Ninki generation, I find the alignments of CDs with Ninki skills rather unreliable outside the first 20 seconds...
Past that it seems like it will really differ depending on the battle.

I wasn't responding to you, sorry. TCJ aligned with 1st TA is easy, of course. There was talk of TCJ aligning with 2nd Trick, which Klarkus was asking about.

[Arkenne]

There was talk of TCJ aligning with 2nd Trick.

Hrm... I see, I need to learn to read properly, lately I've had many of these mistakes...

[Adelaide3]

Ten Chi Jin should only ever be used in order to apply every second Trick Attack. Ninki charges to 100 and Suiton lasts for 10 seconds so even if Trick Attack isn't ready by the time your TCJ is ready then it's no problem at all because you can create the time that you need.

I don't know about you guys, but i'm actually trying to get away from hard casting Suiton during boss fights because that's alot of global cooldowns lost.

[Laflama_Blanca]

You're going to be wasting ninki with this strategy. If you have a 2.108 auto attack speed you'll reach 180 ninki at 50.59 seconds after engaging. You're going to sacrifice about 3 auto attacks worth of ninki holding at 100 if you wait to use TCJ so the suiton comes out 10 seconds before trick. This issue will continue down the line; TCJ's cooldown is 100 seconds while trick is only 60, so trying to keep them lined up is problematic. You also want to keep TCJ lined up directly after ninjutsu as much as possible.

[Klarkus]

You're going to be wasting ninki with this strategy. If you have a 2.108 auto attack speed you'll reach 180 ninki at 50.59 seconds after engaging. You're going to sacrifice about 3 auto attacks worth of ninki holding at 100 if you wait to use TCJ so the suiton comes out 10 seconds before trick. This issue will continue down the line; TCJ's cooldown is 100 seconds while trick is only 60, so trying to keep them lined up is problematic. You also want to keep TCJ lined up directly after ninjutsu as much as possible.

So are you saying its best to use TCJ in the opener with trick attack or bhava and TCJ for second trick attack

[Laflama_Blanca]

So are you saying its best to use TCJ in the opener with trick attack or bhava and TCJ for second trick attack

I'm still of the opinion that TCJ needs to be in the opener. My proposed opener (TCJ before trick) still shows the highest PPS to where I've taken them (240 ninki). However, the way TCJ can align with TA further down the rotation in the more popular opener (TA into TCJ) as previously described is appealing and starting to sway me in that direction.

It's worth noting again that the Bhava opener is vastly better for encounters with an early add phase. TCJ, while very strong for single target, is completely bananas for AOE.