Ninja

[Laflama_Blanca]

You're going to be wasting ninki with this strategy. If you have a 2.108 auto attack speed you'll reach 180 ninki at 50.59 seconds after engaging. You're going to sacrifice about 3 auto attacks worth of ninki holding at 100 if you wait to use TCJ so the suiton comes out 10 seconds before trick. This issue will continue down the line; TCJ's cooldown is 100 seconds while trick is only 60, so trying to keep them lined up is problematic. You also want to keep TCJ lined up directly after ninjutsu as much as possible.

[Klarkus]

You're going to be wasting ninki with this strategy. If you have a 2.108 auto attack speed you'll reach 180 ninki at 50.59 seconds after engaging. You're going to sacrifice about 3 auto attacks worth of ninki holding at 100 if you wait to use TCJ so the suiton comes out 10 seconds before trick. This issue will continue down the line; TCJ's cooldown is 100 seconds while trick is only 60, so trying to keep them lined up is problematic. You also want to keep TCJ lined up directly after ninjutsu as much as possible.

So are you saying its best to use TCJ in the opener with trick attack or bhava and TCJ for second trick attack

[Laflama_Blanca]

So are you saying its best to use TCJ in the opener with trick attack or bhava and TCJ for second trick attack

I'm still of the opinion that TCJ needs to be in the opener. My proposed opener (TCJ before trick) still shows the highest PPS to where I've taken them (240 ninki). However, the way TCJ can align with TA further down the rotation in the more popular opener (TA into TCJ) as previously described is appealing and starting to sway me in that direction.

It's worth noting again that the Bhava opener is vastly better for encounters with an early add phase. TCJ, while very strong for single target, is completely bananas for AOE.

[Adelaide3]

You're going to be wasting ninki with this strategy. If you have a 2.108 auto attack speed you'll reach 180 ninki at 50.59 seconds after engaging. You're going to sacrifice about 3 auto attacks worth of ninki holding at 100 if you wait to use TCJ so the suiton comes out 10 seconds before trick. This issue will continue down the line; TCJ's cooldown is 100 seconds while trick is only 60, so trying to keep them lined up is problematic. You also want to keep TCJ lined up directly after ninjutsu as much as possible.

A rule will be needed then to just use TCJ by itself with doton if it doesn't line up within a certain parameter to be used to enable trick attack. There's other means of forcing cooldowns to line up and alot of possibilitis still unexplored.

I guess it all comes down to wanting to use either more bhavacakras or more frogs.

[Arkenne]

A rule to use TCJ by itself with doton.

thought so but, SRS is 780 while SKD is 810... if you lose a single tic of Doton, you are done :/