Ninja

[Laflama_Blanca]

Ten Chi Jin is used alongside your second Trick Attack and the Ninki gauge should fill up again by the time TA comes off of cooldown. The reasoning for this is so that we don't have to clip our GCD by hard casting Suiton. Also, we get to use Bhavacakra again for our third Ninki charge. I'm pretty sure this is going to be a DPS gain.

edit, I also altered the build in my other post

With regards to Bhavacakra vs TCJ on the opener. The winner between these two will be largely dependent on encounter length and design. TCJ opener starts ahead, Bhava opener pulls even at 160 ninki, Bhava opener takes the lead at 240 ninki (when it's on 2nd Bhava vs frog), and they even up again at 320 ninki, repeating thereafter. This is only taking into effect the ninki moves themselves and not how they work with the rest of the rotation. Running the numbers on the Bhava opener you posted vs my opener they are very close after the 2nd ninki. My opener still has a potency lead, which it will maintain until 240 ninki*. This is discounting the effect of potion which is harder to put a potency value on - having TCJ boosted by pot in the opener is also a nice bonus.

*edit: tbh I haven't run the numbers to 240 ninki, so that's just an assumption.

[Arkenne]

With regards to Bhavacakra vs TCJ on the opener. The winner between these two will be largely dependent on encounter length and design.

Gotta agree that it'll depend on the battle design... and also there are other factors to take into account...

I am pretty sure the opener will differ if we already have 100 Ninki for example. Or slightly different if we have like 30 or so.
We've yet to see what happens to Ninki if we wipe, does it go back to 0? or will it retain its current number? or will we res with the bar maxed out??
My bet is on the 1st :/

[Adelaide3]

Well, in the Avalonstar video, he uses Ten Chi Jin, his ninjutsu cooldown resets to 0, and then he uses a successful 3 mudra huton followed by repeated bunnying. The fact that he was able to use a 3 mudra huton suggests that upon casting ten chi jin the mudra combination is cleared in addition to ninjutsu cooldown being reset, otherwise his huton should have failed as a 6 mudra combination (since he also used huton as his ninjutsu 10 seconds prior). His subsequent ninjutsus failed because they registered as 4+ mudra combinations.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ed_with_skill/
I regret ever doubting you. I wrote off the huton showing up in ten chi jin as a glitch in the system when I should have figured out that the Ten Chi Jin tooltip was wrong about only resetting ninjitsu twice.

edit* I consolidated everything into a single opener for starting with TCJ: http://ffxivrotations.com/qqr
This gets things on cooldown faster with a little bit better of a damage curve. Dex potion should end right after hitting the kassatsu'd raiton.

The Bhavacakra opener remains unchanged

[Sigmakan]

I think ideally you'd want your potion to also be in effect for TCJ. I also think you can get TA and TCJ out much quicker. Here is the rotation I have:
http://ffxivrotations.com/qqv

It needs a bit more oGCD optimization, but I do think doing TA after the 5th GCD results in the best opener.

[Arkenne]

I regret ever doubting you.

I wanna believe but... that reddit post only says what we already knew from the videos before... TenCJ resets the CD of mudras but,

Does that count as the 1st reset so we can only do ShuRai?
Or can we still do ShuRaiSui?

http://ffxivrotations.com/qqv

Try by swapping Jugulate with Mug, also leave Jugulate for after TenCJ since leaving an 80 potency skill out of TA is not that much of a loss. (Or after the first Spinning Edge since you get its CD running earlier)
You missed Duality, but I suppose its supposed to be right before the AE in TA.

[Adelaide3]

I think ideally you'd want your potion to also be in effect for TCJ. I also think you can get TA and TCJ out much quicker. Here is the rotation I have:
http://ffxivrotations.com/qqv

It needs a bit more oGCD optimization, but I do think doing TA after the 5th GCD results in the best opener.

Optimized version would be the Bhavacakra opener:
http://ffxivrotations.com/qr0

Only one problem, Trick Attack won't last long enough for Ten Chi Jin so I came up with that other one to show what it takes to use it in an opener and to still have everything fit. Although, I don't think it would be a problem to just use TCJ outside of TA so just have this opener for everything based on add phases and preference.

Edit* Please don't hurt my soul by using TCJ with this opener when you can land Bhava with TA and Potion.

[Sigmakan]

Try by swapping Jugulate with Mug, also leave Jugulate for after TenCJ since leaving an 80 potency skill out of TA is not that much of a loss. (Or after the first Spinning Edge since you get its CD running earlier)
You missed Duality, but I suppose its supposed to be right before the AE in TA.

Ah yeah, I dragged duality up there but I guess it didn't stick. If there is too much GCD clipping with the double weave I'll pull mug out of TA and put it in front, but I wouldn't replace it with Jug. And yes, if need be, Jug can be moved after TA, but there is a few open oGCD "slots" prior to TA now that we don't have IR and B4B.

[Arkenne]

There is a few open oGCD "slots" prior to TA now that we don't have IR and B4B.

Yea that editor gets me a bit irked cuz if I miss one thing I have to delete it all since it won't let me drag-and-drop to where I want it to be.
And yep, I would say to put Jugulate after the first Spinning Edge, since you have it open. I belive it is more useful to have it running early than hold it up for TA/Slashing debuff since it has a very short CD :/

I don't think it would be a problem to just use TCJ outside of TA

Again, TCJ(SRS) in TA is 156 extra potency... by far the highest you could put in there :/
If possible to put them in, it should be for the best.
Then again, if TCJ can reset the Mudras to 0 and still let you use 3 Ninjutsus, I'm totally in favor to kick TCJ out of the first TA.

[Kartisan]

I switched to nin main sometime in 2.x and the change that saddens me is the loss of Dancing Edge, I am fine with changes to what it does or even if it were to be made into some sort of oGCD WS or one trigged by certain ninjutsu or other proc.....I just really liked its animation and am saddened it is disappearing... -.-,

[Arkenne]

the loss of Dancing Edge. -.-,

That moment when you realize NIN has less GCDs than PLD... :/
I also like DE animation more than AE :/ (even if its actually 3 slashes with the right hand dagger only).

...

Actually, why do we have 2 daggers again?? SE and GS can easily be done with one dagger and all AE, DE and AC are a single dagger hit animation...

In fact MU, DwaD and TA/SA are the only skills that use both daggers...