Ninja

[Arkenne]

The NIN looked a bit lackluster in the video in comparison to the others but I think its because they had to showcase stuff at an eye catching speed (not what one is used to with the openers and all).

I am more concerned than happy about the chained Jutsus tho,
I do like it, it is a pretty badass concept, however I have 2 questions:

- Is the Jutsu ground the NIN's lay lines??
- Will we be unable to use anything but Jutsus while in the chain Jutsu ground??

[Seku]

The NIN looked a bit lackluster in the video in comparison to the others but I think its because they had to showcase stuff at an eye catching speed (not what one is used to with the openers and all).

I am more concerned than happy about the chained Jutsus tho,
I do like it, it is a pretty badass concept, however I have 2 questions:

- Is the Jutsu ground the NIN's lay lines??
- Will we be unable to use anything but Jutsus while in the chain Jutsu ground??

Assuming your tank doesn't move mobs out of ground aoes and current values stay, you just gained another single target 900+ Potency 3 combo rotation which previously could only be done with Duality and Ninjas AoE just went up a lot without costing TP since you can now chain Katon into Daton, which is 570 AoE potency over 2 actions which is 285 aoe potency for the last 2 madras and 190 aoe potency per marda sign over the course of all three of them, since the first one has to be the shuriken.

TLDR: New chain ninjitsu just helped Ninjas aoe greatly and gave them another single target 900+ potency rotation.

Not too sure why that's a concern.

[Arkenne]

Not too sure why that's a concern.

Yea I do realize the gain of this new NIN mechanic.

My concerns are even in your quote tho:
- Is the Jutsu Ground the NIN ley lines??

In other words: once it is placed down, we must not move out of it in order to execute the 3 mudras and it'll be an AoE magnet?

and:
- Will we be unable to use anything but Jutsus while in the chain Jutsu Ground??

As to say: We want to use Shuriken > Katon > Doton. But what if we want to use GCDs also? Will the use of Spinning Edge after a Shuriken result in the rabbit instead of Katon and Doton later on? Once the ground is down are we FORCED to do nothing but Jutsus?


Both of these concerns will only have an answer once the expansion is live... or at the very least, on June 13.


And now a new one: What if we want to use Raiton but dont wanna renew Huton and we already used TA/SA?? Can't we use Shuriken > Raiton > Raiton?? or on the opposite, if its possible, does that mean we can rather go Raiton > Raiton > Raiton??

[Seku]

Yea I do realize the gain of this new NIN mechanic.

My concerns are even in your quote tho:
- Is the Jutsu Ground the NIN ley lines??

In other words: once it is placed down, we must not move out of it in order to execute the 3 mudras and it'll be an AoE magnet?

and:
- Will we be unable to use anything but Jutsus while in the chain Jutsu Ground??

As to say: We want to use Shuriken > Katon > Doton. But what if we want to use GCDs also? Will the use of Spinning Edge after a Shuriken result in the rabbit instead of Katon and Doton later on? Once the ground is down are we FORCED to do nothing but Jutsus?


Both of these concerns will only have an answer once the expansion is live... or at the very least, on June 13.

Not sure why any of those are a concern as you can't weave Weapon skills between Mudras now, so basically it changes nothing, and if you can weave in between during that period, it's a additonal bonus. . The only worry is if stepping out of bounds would kill the effect, which still in the end can easily be worked around in most situations currently and probably up coming fights.

Once more. Not sure why this is a concern.

[Nihlus_Tia]

One thing that gave me pause was that we lose both Internal Release and Blood for Blood from the Cross-Class system. Dragoon and Monk are only going to lose one which is kind of disappointing considering we're already behind both in personal DPS. I can only hope that we get a strong DPS cooldown in exchange for Goad becoming available to all DPS.

Based on video from the Live Letter it looks like Shadow Fang will be a 3rd tier combo finisher, but it will apply the Slashing Debuff. The consolidation is nice.

[TheLastDream]

One thing that gave me pause was that we lose both Internal Release and Blood for Blood from the Cross-Class system. Dragoon and Monk are only going to lose one which is kind of disappointing considering we're already behind both in personal DPS. I can only hope that we get a strong DPS cooldown in exchange for Goad becoming available to all DPS.

Based on video from the Live Letter it looks like Shadow Fang will be a 3rd tier combo finisher, but it will apply the Slashing Debuff. The consolidation is nice.

It will be nice that shadow fang applies the slashing debuff, But that makes us only have 1 Dot with mutilate. So we lose b4b,internal release, possible 1 dot, no kiss wasp/venom. Maybe they buffed all our skills or something but looks like they really took alot of DPS from us.

[KaiSunstrider]

It will be nice that shadow fang applies the slashing debuff, But that makes us only have 1 Dot with mutilate. So we lose b4b,internal release, possible 1 dot, no kiss wasp/venom. Maybe they buffed all our skills or something but looks like they really took alot of DPS from us.

So far it looks like all non combo dots have been removed, ToD is gone from monks as is fracture from warrior. It's likely that mutilate will be gone as well and SF will remain as your maintance dot.

[Okamimaru]

Unless there's a full list of all ninja skills with their effects I'm missing somewhere I think people are panicking over nothing

[Nihlus_Tia]

Unless there's a full list of all ninja skills with their effects I'm missing somewhere I think people are panicking over nothing

You're stating the obvious. I haven't seen anyone in here panicking. OP merely asked for commentary on the changes presented to date, which is what people have been doing.

[Arkenne]

Rewatching the twitch video where we see the NIN apply Shadow Fang (and the Slashing debuff) they also use Duality + Armor Crush
I noticed that 3 numbers came up:

a 5K critical hit
a 3.4k normal hit
and a 1k normal hit

I am supposing the 1k one is an auto-attack, and the 5k and 3.4k are from Duality. This may mean that either they changed Duality so the first strike can Crit, or they removed the "Can't Crit with Duality" part.

Snapshot at 1:45:44

Edit: NVM, not a guaranteed crit

With Duality AE at 1:38:27

But it seems like they CAN crit

Edit 2: There is another one

Another Duality AE at 1:43:03

This one was wrongly done, an AE without properly comboing, so it does a 1.2k normal hit, a 1.5k crit auto attack and a 2k crit.
So thats 2 incidences of Crits on Duality.

Sadly the samples are too far apart to tell if there is any change in the CD timing.



I just hope its just a coincidence that Dancing Edge hadn't made an appearance so far...