Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[ArkNova]

1 button a minute?

I don't have much of a horse in this race as I only casually heal but you've said 4 times now that a healer only needs to press a button once a minute which in this case would be a Cure once every minute. I ask that you please give an example of when a healer only presses a cure spell once a minute because I don't think that shit would fly in any dungeon with a tank that wants to pull balls to the wall slap happy.

[AlphaSonic]

I don't have much of a horse in this race as I only casually heal but you've said 4 times now that a healer only needs to press a button once a minute which in this case would be a Cure once every minute. I ask that you please give an example of when a healer only presses a cure spell once a minute because I don't think that shit would fly in any dungeon with a tank that wants to pull balls to the wall slap happy.

Cure is overrated. I don't need cure when I can use Regen - Medica II and some instant heal to keep the tank alive while i'm DPSing.

[ArkNova]

Cure is overrated. I don't need cure when I can use Regen - Medica II and some instant heal to keep the tank alive while i'm DPSing.

But what if the Hots don't drop before your next big pull? What if your ogc heals arent up? Would it be the tank's fault then they did not drop the HoTs and the healer pulls aggro?

[Hamada]

I don't have much of a horse in this race as I only casually heal but you've said 4 times now that a healer only needs to press a button once a minute which in this case would be a Cure once every minute. I ask that you please give an example of when a healer only presses a cure spell once a minute because I don't think that shit would fly in any dungeon with a tank that wants to pull balls to the wall slap happy.

Most low levels, like 1-30, provided you are not undergeared can be healed by pressing nothing as a SCH, just autofollow and /afk. On the likes say expert it depends on the tank if you can get away with literally 1 heal a minute, but it is possible if the tank does a good enough job. Example today, a PLD lived though the rest of the pull when healer died. By time the healer got to the pull and it all died by just they got there, they tossed a heal, and I think no heals was used during the pull at all cept maybe regen. meaning full trash pull without healing at all cept maybe a regen.

If we're going to pull from classic video games, I'll cite Aerith and Yuna, both of her were able to learn offensive spells you utilized far more frequently because random encounters were never overly threatening. In fact, Yuna had a higher magic stat than Lulu if you took both through their respective grids, thus she were the better of the two offensively. Both also allotted for ample customization and could become power houses. Come to think of it, how many single player games did you have the "healer" only heal throughout the entire play through?

Not a good argument, yuna like many FF characters, WHM or healer tends to be attached to summoners, and yuna was more summoner then healer.

All healers in FF games had large damage potential though.

[ArkNova]

Most low levels, like 1-30, provided you are not undergeared can be healed by pressing nothing as a SCH, just autofollow and /afk.

Yeah I've done this before on sch but that still leaves 2 other healing jobs. Do the other 2 have this same level of ease?

[Mirateski]

Yeah I've done this before on sch but that still leaves 2 other healing jobs. Do the other 2 have this same level of ease?

I can't speak for whm, but unless you're having "fun" in sastasha (read: pulling gate to gate, surprisingly hard-hitting if you literally never stop) all ast needs is to hop out of cleric and essential dignity on cooldown, unless the tank is at-level and geared the way most new tanks are. Hell, even then you only need an extra benefic maybe every pack.

I had a healer in Sohr Khai when it was relevant who did nothing but heal, and they were a raider. They had like, current tier raid gear, and when there was nothing to heal, they just... stood there. We didn't kick them but it was SO FRUSTRATING. I will never kick someone who's (percievedly) underperforming compared to what I would want to do - but if I ask, for example, "why no eno/BotD/GL" and the answer was "it's not necessary" or "I can't be bothered" I'm gonna initiate the heck out of that kick. And it's a pug, so maybe I won't be agreed with, that's fine too. Majority rules.

You're nervous? Fine. You're lazy? If the rest of the party is alright with that, I'm not standing for that when I'm putting in effort.

[ArkNova]

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See me and you are on the same page, I've never forced a healer to dps. It just has never bothered me, dungeons don't really feel any longer to me when a healer does or does not dps. Do I personally dps as a healer? Yes, yes I do but I'm not parcing crazy omg look at my numbers you suck you're a dps I'm a healer #uninstallgameyouwanker kind of healer. I will help dps because it can get boring just curing but then there's days where I want to kick back and relax. Short of it is I will dps as a healer but I wont breath my opinion or play style down other people's backs.

[Hamada]

Yeah I've done this before on sch but that still leaves 2 other healing jobs. Do the other 2 have this same level of ease?

AST is the busiest and hardest to manage like that. You have to be much higher skilled pull it off and even then it depends on the tank knowing what to do. But basically you just let people get low and use essential dignity. AST does not have spamable stuns like whm (plus having regen, basically you just need regen mainly as a whm as you DPS and that is 21 sec long. ) If you are not DPSing as a whm, ironically that means a pure healer WHM needs to heal more then a DPS healer since the aoe stun blocks incoming damage. With good DPS, things are nearly dead with properly spaced out holy so that limits incoming damage.

Ever hear the saying sometimes a good defense is a good offense? This applies to this, a DPS healer means you have to heal less, run is quicker, everyone is happy cept trolls that want to cling on "healers only heal take off cleric stance" harassment.

Despite that, I had a story yesterday, about my friend being shield using AST while using buffs while healing derp stand in fire stuff. Now if a shield using AST can outheal a pure regen healer, while the AST out DPS - 2DPS, a tank, a range lb (that the pure healer did less then) what does that tell you? I seen a few posts DPS healers tend to be more skilled then pure healers and that story def proved that. a shield healer should never raw outheal a regen one, let alone the large DPS gap on top of that, and buffing on top of that.

So to me people taking the defense "Healer dps is optional so therefor I am not going to" are the unskilled ones trying to cling on anything they can get their hands on because they can't handle something. (Or they simply want to be lazy and afk, I do not know) Being exposed to scripted fights for 10+ times, you should know when healing is needed and when healing isnt needed.