Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[AlphaSonic]

If we're going to pull from classic video games, I'll cite Aerith and Yuna, both of her were able to learn offensive spells you utilized far more frequently because random encounters were never overly threatening. In fact, Yuna had a higher magic stat than Lulu if you took both through their respective grids, thus she were the better of the two offensively. Both also allotted for ample customization and could become power houses. Come to think of it, how many single player games did you have the "healer" only heal throughout the entire play through?

In most Final Fantasy games the healer always had DPSing abilities, because the same way as in this game, YOU DON'T NEED TO HEAL ALL THE TIME!

[Noata]

Well but that goes the other way around. Why isn't the healer helping the other 3 people to clear the dungeon faster? Mobs in this game don't hit hard enough for constant healing.

I think your missing where punishment and convenience are different things... wanting the healer to do the DPS's job for them is convenient for the DPS, Standing in AoE's forcing the healer to heal you because the healer didn't do their job for them is punishment

See where it is different.

[Hamada]

I don't have much of a horse in this race as I only casually heal but you've said 4 times now that a healer only needs to press a button once a minute which in this case would be a Cure once every minute. I ask that you please give an example of when a healer only presses a cure spell once a minute because I don't think that shit would fly in any dungeon with a tank that wants to pull balls to the wall slap happy.

Most low levels, like 1-30, provided you are not undergeared can be healed by pressing nothing as a SCH, just autofollow and /afk. On the likes say expert it depends on the tank if you can get away with literally 1 heal a minute, but it is possible if the tank does a good enough job. Example today, a PLD lived though the rest of the pull when healer died. By time the healer got to the pull and it all died by just they got there, they tossed a heal, and I think no heals was used during the pull at all cept maybe regen. meaning full trash pull without healing at all cept maybe a regen.

If we're going to pull from classic video games, I'll cite Aerith and Yuna, both of her were able to learn offensive spells you utilized far more frequently because random encounters were never overly threatening. In fact, Yuna had a higher magic stat than Lulu if you took both through their respective grids, thus she were the better of the two offensively. Both also allotted for ample customization and could become power houses. Come to think of it, how many single player games did you have the "healer" only heal throughout the entire play through?

Not a good argument, yuna like many FF characters, WHM or healer tends to be attached to summoners, and yuna was more summoner then healer.

All healers in FF games had large damage potential though.

[ArkNova]

Cure is overrated. I don't need cure when I can use Regen - Medica II and some instant heal to keep the tank alive while i'm DPSing.

But what if the Hots don't drop before your next big pull? What if your ogc heals arent up? Would it be the tank's fault then they did not drop the HoTs and the healer pulls aggro?

[Hakuro89]

What bothers me most about it isn't that Yoshi-P said it, it's that this came from Mr.Happy. And for some reason or another, there's a massive amount of players that seem to take whatever he says as the word of God.
Meaning now there's probably going to be a tidal wave of mediocre healers that refuse to DPS, 'because Mr.Happy said so'.

[Crushnight]

just gunna add my thoughts/opinion cus why not lol

heres 2 examples of doing bare minimum in healing let alone adding dps into it

you run a dung have an ast hlr they NEVER use draw thus no card buffs but you live through the entire dungeon. You as a player would be annoyed at this ast cus why play it if not using cards you would want more effort from them but it is not mandatory so they don't care, me personally would find out why if response was don't care my response be last boss swift boot ty bb. They may have done they're primary role but they're attitude to perform a little better was terrible and i PERSONALLY do not want them there.

dung with sch they summon Eos and go on follow to tank and do nothing else, Yea again everyone lives thus doing primary role but barest minimum possible again a boot be incoming should responses be horrible.

Hlr dps is not mandatory but would certainly be appriciated by your other 7 members of your party and based on some peoples opinion in this thread the above 2 examples are FINE/ACCEPTABLE and that scares me as they both really really shouldn't be imo dps is just an extra part to your kit you can utilise it or not but don't be surprised if people ask why you won't and you get a boot if you say i'm a hlr i don't dps as you refuse a part of your kit you COULD be using

[AlphaSonic]

I think your missing where punishment and convenience are different things... wanting the healer to do the DPS's job for them is convenient for the DPS, Standing in AoE's forcing the healer to heal you because the healer didn't do their job for them is punishment

See where it is different.

WRONG. DPS, Tank and Healer have the same objective. Clearing the dungeon, and they all have to contribute to their best to do it. You are being selfish, you are not only a healer, you are someone that needs to collaborate with 3 more people to clear the dungeon and it is expected from everyone to perform as best as they can. Don't talk about your role as a healer, I don't care, what I care is your role as a person that needs to clear the dungeon.

[Coratanni]

As a healer who dpses, and primarily pugs everything, I think some of you should only play with statics and other premades, as your expectations are not grounded in reality. The average player is not seeking to max their class's efficiency. Many are casuals. When playing with strangers from all corners of the globe, you dont know what you are getting.

I am reminded why I walked away from static and ranked pvp in my last mmo two years ago, when I read this thread. This is a video game. Everyone is here for different reasons. After 30 years of gaming, I leave all of the min-maxing, bis, and first clears to the young who place their life value on how well they do in a game.

[ArkNova]

Most low levels, like 1-30, provided you are not undergeared can be healed by pressing nothing as a SCH, just autofollow and /afk.

Yeah I've done this before on sch but that still leaves 2 other healing jobs. Do the other 2 have this same level of ease?

[Noata]

WRONG. DPS, Tank and Healer have the same objective. Clearing the dungeon and they all have to contribute to their best to do it. You are being selfish, you are not only a healer, you are someone that needs to collaborate with 3 more people to clear the dungeon and it is expected from everyone to perform as best as they can. Don't talk about your role as a healer, I don't care, what I care is your role as a person that needs to clear the dungeons as an objective.

Just because you have the same objective doesn't mean you have to do everything in your power possible to do it. You don't see Melees Always getting positionals on trash mobs that your nuking down? you don't see the tank always optimally DPS, Just because the objective is to clear a dungeon doesn't mean they have to do what you think is best... It just means... hey we are all working toward this one goal. Demanding people do what you want because you think it is the best way to get the objective is one sided. I think your opinion of what is best is what your trying to force on others. and step one is to understand your in a group, and the only thing you 100% control is you as the individual