Samurai Discussion

[Sai-Kon]

tl;dr:Hagakure is better than Midare Setsugekka in terms of potency.

Don't try so hard to sound smart, it's not. You should compare equal things, not 8 GCDs to 9. If you add one Hakaze to the Hagakure calculations so that the comparison is between equal things (9 GCDs in the current context), you will notice that it turns out that Hagakure calculation you did there gives 408.88 potency. This is a mere 3 potency difference than the Kaiten + Midare rotation, however, the math here is on a theoretical spectrum and does not take into account that Midare will be cast while either Trick Attack or Battle Litany is still up and will fully benefit from that, while not all 3 Shinten you get from Hagakure benefit from raid cooldowns because it requires a bigger span to spend the Kenki on Shinten (between 2-3 GCD), which renders Kaiten+Midare not only better but also way simpler to manage in a pragmatic scenario. Your math doesn't take into account that any downtime during fight where you don't use Hagakure right off the bat when it comes off cooldown due to mechanics will result in Hagakure losing value and hence DPS loss, so over the span of a fight Hagakure rotation will end up losing more value. Next time think more before you try to copy-paste calculations without looking at the whole picture.

[Greywolfamakir]

Next time think more before you try to copy-paste calculations without looking at the whole picture.

I didn't copy-paste nothing else out of me, I did that maths, they are mine, they are right. I know you dont like it, Midare Setsugekka is really cool and you want that Midare Setsugekka be better than Hagakure, but im sorry, Hagakure is better.

9 GCDs: Hagakure = 415.5 p/GCD Midare Setsugekka + Kaiten= 405.55 p/GCD
10 GCDs: Hagakure = 408 p/GCD Midare Setsugekka + Kaiten = 386 p/GCD
11 GCDs: Hagakure = 418.18 p/GCD Midare Setsugekka + Kaiten = 381.81 p/GCD
12 GCDs: Hagakure = 400.8 p/GCD Midare Setsugekka + Kaiten = 393.33 p/GCD

I can reach 500 GCDs but it wont change the result...

About Trick Attack...Litany...etc, you can spend 60 kenki during buff window easy, if you cant, use Midare Setsugekka or learn how to spend 60 Kenki faster.

Hagakure has 40 seconds CD, its a really good DPS CD, I understand that its less cool than Midare Setsugekka, i agree, i dont like Hagakure indeed, but its not about what i like it about potency and math.

In fact, Samurai just has 3 DPS CDs, Hagakure, Meikyo Sishui and Guren. When you dont have Hagakure, Meikyo Sishui and Guren you'll do normal rotation with Midare Setsugekka + Kaiten