Samurai Discussion

[ShaolinMike]

Oops, there was a mistake while typing it. Let me correct it right away:

Hakaze - Jinpu - Gekko - Iaijutsu - Hakaze - Shifu - Hissatsu: Shinten - Kasha - Meikyo Shisui - Gekko - Yukikaze - Hissatsu: Kaiten - Iaijutsu - Kasha - Hagakure - Hakaze - Hissatsu: Guren - Jinpu - Gekko - Hakaze - Yukikaze - Hissatsu: Shinten - Hakaze - Shifu - Kasha - Hissatsu: Kaiten - Iaijutsu

Take my statement with a grain of salt, as I am not in any way a theory crafter aside from general conjecture. But the Hagakure placement seems less than ideal, considering you'll only have one Sen at that point.

[Sai-Kon]

Take my statement with a grain of salt, as I am not in any way a theory crafter aside from general conjecture. But the Hagakure placement seems less than ideal, considering you'll only have one Sen at that point.

Yes, you are right. I said that myself in my post that this is not the most optimal version of the rotation (yet still better than anything else), but it will be something alone the lines. I will try to optimize Meikyo Shisui and Hagakure a bit more now that I know the most efficient way to start opener.

[KennyRedsteele]

I must have missed this hagakure with one sen. When would you do that? I haven't seen any openers that contained this yet unless I'm blind. Do you mean Higanbana (which can only be cast with one sen)?

Oops, there was a mistake while typing it. Let me correct it right away:

Hakaze - Jinpu - Gekko - Iaijutsu - Hakaze - Shifu - Hissatsu: Shinten - Kasha - Meikyo Shisui - Gekko - Yukikaze - Hissatsu: Kaiten - Iaijutsu - Kasha - Hagakure - Hakaze - Hissatsu: Guren - Jinpu - Gekko - Hakaze - Yukikaze - Hissatsu: Shinten - Hakaze - Shifu - Kasha - Hissatsu: Kaiten - Iaijutsu

There we use 1 Sen

[silentwindfr]

plus you forget to take in account the gear, don't it's better to do the math without take in account the gear impact, means 2.5 gcd as base?

[Sai-Kon]

My time is perfectly fine dude.

But im sorry if i offend you, it wasn't my intention. I wont waste more time on this forum, people barely know how to sum two integers...

It's exactly as Steelbreeze said, you are basically counting a different time frame.



Well, you tried.

Edit: And anyway, the point is not whether we count from beginning till end of last GCD or the beginning of last GCD. The point was about you posting a higher potency/time opener.

[KrazyBean94]

So would this opener change if you're the only one applying the slashing debuff (PLD/DRK composition for example)?

Will you prioritise Yukikaze first?

[Sai-Kon]

So would this opener change if you're the only one applying the slashing debuff (PLD/DRK composition for example)?

Will you prioritise Yukikaze first?

For better or worse, yes. The 3-1-2 combo (3. Hakaze-Yukikaze, 1.Jinpu-Gekko 2.Shifu-Kasha) yields slightly more potency/time when you don't have WAR to apply Maim for you. The difference is very minuscule but if we want to min-max everything you take it into account. Of course, when you have WAR that applies Slashing Debuff for you, the difference in potency/time becomes noticeable.

[KennyRedsteele]

For better or worse, yes. The 3-1-2 combo (3. Hakaze-Yukikaze, 1.Jinpu-Gekko 2.Shifu-Kasha) yields slightly more potency/time when you don't have WAR to apply Maim for you. The difference is very minuscule but if we want to min-max everything you take it into account. Of course, when you have WAR that applies Slashing Debuff for you, the difference in potency/time becomes noticeable.

Ok so we use Hagakure with 1 Sen, and I Simulated a lot of situations to find a better solution but couldn't find one :P
I read that Hagakure would be a dps loss if we arent using it with 3 Sen and now I see a good solution with 1 Sen
And how about the rotation with Hagakure?
Sorry for my bad english

[Tsilyi]

Ok so we use Hagakure with 1 Sen, and I Simulated a lot of situations to find a better solution but couldn't find one :P
I read that Hagakure would be a dps loss if we arent using it with 3 Sen and now I see a good solution with 1 Sen
And how about the rotation with Hagakure?
Sorry for my bad english

I must have missed this hagakure with one sen. When would you do that? I haven't seen any openers that contained this yet unless I'm blind. Do you mean Higanbana (which can only be cast with one sen)?

[Sai-Kon]

I re-calculated efficiency of Hagakure and found out that in the end Hagakure is not worth the 3 Sen you spent on it, contrary to what the post on reddit claimed. When you consume all 3 Sens for 1x Hagakure, you get 720 potency out of it. That equals to 1x Midare Setsugekka. The only benefit of Hagakure is 1 weaponskill because Midare Setsugekka requires 1 GCD while Hagakure doesn't. The one GCD you cast after the combo is Hakaze which equals to 5 Kenki. 5 Kenki equals to 60 potency. So by using Hagakure you only benefit by 60 potency. But this benefit is when you cast Midare Setsugekka alone.

When you buff Midare Setsugekka with Kaiten, you get +360 potency benefit, which is an actual +120 potency benefit over Shinten for that cost. Substracting the earlier +60 potency benefit you got from 1 Hagakure equals +60 potency benefit in favor of Kaiten. In other words, every time you cast Kaiten + Midare you yield 60 more potency than Hagakure.