Superficial

[Buddhsie]

Bitching, bitching, bitching is constructive criticisms. Otherwise SE would be sitting there with their thumb up their butt wondering why they have so little subs. If you don't like something, say so. I have more respect for people who stand up and say why they don't like the game then people who bitch at them for complaining.

Whats gonna change the game? Someone who criticizes or someone who keeps praising every little application.

Why sheep? Because if someone makes a thread thats remotely critical, you betcha there's going to be the people following making little comments like "troll" "GTFO" hoping to have the thread locked down for going off topic. As you can see by the first few pages, there's quite a few of the "bandwagon" types. If you have no interest in the topic, then stay out of it.

On topic

The OP has every right to ask this question. I believe he/she is wrong but only time will tell. I just couldn't really see the updates prior to 2.0 having no ties with how 2.0 is played out. I'll assume this next year is is the continuation of beta. I'd be mind numbingly gob smacked if none of these updates are not carried over to 2.0. It would a waste of resources.

We'll have a year of patches to see whether or not this game goes in the direction that the majority will like. Lets wait and see.

First time I've ever seen someone say that people who have a positive opinion of the game and are mostly politely telling the OP that it's completely and utterly wrong that they are bitches. I guess there's a first for everything.

Fact of the matter is, the entire reason the thread was made was to criticise the, in the eyes of the poster, lack of updates and planned updates to the combat and crafting system. It's completely wrong, people have a right to tell the OP that it's stupid. Why even bother making the post in the first place, it just screams "I don't know what I'm talking about, free pass to tell me how dumb I sound!".

[Tiraelina]

First time I've ever seen someone say that people who have a positive opinion of the game and are mostly politely telling the OP that it's completely and utterly wrong that they are bitches. I guess there's a first for everything.

Fact of the matter is, the entire reason the thread was made was to criticise the, in the eyes of the poster, lack of updates and planned updates to the combat and crafting system. It's completely wrong, people have a right to tell the OP that it's stupid. Why even bother making the post in the first place, it just screams "I don't know what I'm talking about, free pass to tell me how dumb I sound!".

Good thing this forum doesn't take open statements and twist its meaning to their desire right? If anyone thinks something should be changed they get attacked for it much like the series of crafting threads in the other sub forum. There's nothing in the Roadmap for crafting that isn't more fluff. DoL has been getting needlessly simplified every chance they get and barely any of the abilities actually make a noticeable difference for how rarely they proc. I don't really care what they gave other websites in interviews up to half a year or more ago, none of it showed up in the Roadmap at all.

[Buddhsie]

Good thing this forum doesn't take open statements and twist its meaning to their desire right? If anyone thinks something should be changed they get attacked for it much like the series of crafting threads in the other sub forum. There's nothing in the Roadmap for crafting that isn't more fluff. DoL has been getting needlessly simplified every chance they get and barely any of the abilities actually make a noticeable difference for how rarely they proc. I don't really care what they gave other websites in interviews up to half a year or more ago, none of it showed up in the Roadmap at all.

Define 'more fluff'.. vague statements will get you nowhere. You make the replies posted here sound spiteful and unprovoked. 'Attacking' is such a strong word.. I prefer to think of it as 'rightfully denying'.

DoL was not brought up in the OP, and since I haven't even picked up a single DoL weapon in my time playing the game, I can safely say it doesn't matter to me, so why should I care? Regardless of how I feel about them, the crafting and DoL classes are heavily involed in materia crafting, a character enhancing system equally beneficial to all classes. Let's not forget the recipe overhauls, changes to gathered materials and gathering point levels, simplification and fine tuning that is constantly happening too..

And look what I found on the planned changes between now and 2.0, it took me all of 1 minute to find!

Basis of new recipes released in patch 1.19. New additions to continue to be made prior to version 2.0.
New high-end recipes to have high levels of difficulty, not only in terms of recipe complexity, but also
crafting location requirements (e.g., facilities within a kobold stronghold).
Materia released in patch 1.19, with future plans including release of additional materia slot items, materia
to mitigate requirements to equip gear, further system expansions, and additional items.
Release of an item notebook after version 2.0 to log all recipes and crafted items for consolidated, easy
viewing.
Release of a "signature" feature for version 2.0 enabling players to put their names on items they craft.

Disciple of the Land Stealth ability released in patch 1.19, enabling gatherers to remain concealed from
enemies in the field.
Release of an item notebook after version 2.0 to log gathering level and item information for consolidated,
easy viewing.
Release of treasure chests that may appear randomly at any gathering node.
Chests to yield treasure maps that may only be viewed by Disciples of the Land.

Sure looks like they are completely forgetting about those classes.. So thanks for trying to defend a now proven stupid OP.

[Tiraelina]

Define 'more fluff'.. vague statements will get you nowhere. You make the replies posted here sound spiteful and unprovoked. 'Attacking' is such a strong word.. I prefer to think of it as 'rightfully denying'.

DoL was not brought up in the OP, and since I haven't even picked up a single DoL weapon in my time playing the game, I can safely say it doesn't matter to me, so why should I care? Regardless of how I feel about them, the crafting and DoL classes are heavily involed in materia crafting, a character enhancing system equally beneficial to all classes. Let's not forget the recipe overhauls, changes to gathered materials and gathering point levels, simplification and fine tuning that is constantly happening too..

And look what I found on the planned changes between now and 2.0, it took me all of 1 minute to find!





Sure looks like they are completely forgetting about those classes.. So thanks for trying to defend a now proven stupid OP.

Insulting someone isn't attacking them? News to me.

Nothing listed in the Roadmap has any bearing on gameplay for either of those groups of classes except for combat, ie. Fluff. I don't know how that isn't easy to understand. You know what superficial means before you waltzed into here bashing people's opinions right? None of it is going to make the game any more enjoyable for anyone except combat when aiming as DoL isn't even worth doing.

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First time I've ever seen someone say that people who have a positive opinion of the game and are mostly politely telling the OP that it's completely and utterly wrong that they are bitches. I guess there's a first for everything.

Fact of the matter is, the entire reason the thread was made was to criticise the, in the eyes of the poster, lack of updates and planned updates to the combat and crafting system. It's completely wrong, people have a right to tell the OP that it's stupid. Why even bother making the post in the first place, it just screams "I don't know what I'm talking about, free pass to tell me how dumb I sound!".

These forums are mostly polite? I want what you're having.