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[Seif]

Can't people honestly discuss anything here without it being all black and white?

Why does one have to be labeled a complete fan-boy or a troll no matter what they post here? Seriously people grow up.

I agree with some that there is a bunch of content coming that probably will add more depth to the overall experience (in about a year) but I also agree with parts of the OP's thoughts.

Yes the crafting and battle mechanics still feel like bare bones of what's hopefully to come and if nobody encourages SE to do anything about it the situation will remain. Heaven knows every single game media outlet 100% agrees with that sentiment even if it's an opinion based on a 12months old build of the game.

FF franchise is known for having a lot of depth and various systems that were invented for every FF game.
*sphere grid (X)
*materia (VII)
*job system (III)
*hunts (XII)
*fishing (XI)
*card game (IX, VIII)
etc...

I think its completely reasonable to expect them to do something equally good without sounding like a "troll".

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The troll... trolls her own thread?

Maybe you should go check the definition of troll. So far you have not contributed to any of the discussion, just throwing in snarky remarks. Just cause someone doesn't have the same opinion of them does not make them a troll, nub. It just means they are not sheep.

On topic.

I would assume the patches leading up to 2.0 will pave the way for the combat and crafting systems. Otherwise why even bother making those updates. I guess we need to watch the year leading up to it.

[Bearforce]

There's some truth in the OP - most notably, there is ZERO mention of any sort of crafting revamp. Yes, they are making changes, but they're minor adjustments at best.



All of those are essentially fixes towards what you CAN do with the crafting system. But there is nothing there about HOW you do it. The crafting system in its current state is a massive grindfest that's downright painful. It's nice that they've tried to make the process more engaging, but it's a moot point if the system isn't fun.

i agree with what Dreamer has said, crafting is grindfest and not fun. its True that all MMorpg is applied to grinding but in this particular game and ffxi, it have a long and arduous lvling progression.

[Answa]

Maybe you should go check the definition of troll. So far you have not contributed to any of the discussion, just throwing in snarky remarks. Just cause someone doesn't have the same opinion of them does not make them a troll, nub. It just means they are not sheep.

On topic.

I would assume the patches leading up to 2.0 will pave the way for the combat and crafting systems. Otherwise why even bother making those updates. I guess we need to watch the year leading up to it.

I'm obviously joking... I thought that was obvious...

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But I guess some things are just lost on some people. Have you not noticed that the only thing this obviously alt account does is just bitch and bitch and never offer anything but more bitching? Thus, she is fair game.

At least in my eyes. And that's good enough for me.

Why the hell would I contribute to the "discussion"? And why is the word "sheep" so popular nowadays?

Them young'uns, I tell you...

There's some truth in the OP - most notably, there is ZERO mention of any sort of crafting revamp. Yes, they are making changes, but they're minor adjustments at best.



All of those are essentially fixes towards what you CAN do with the crafting system. But there is nothing there about HOW you do it. The crafting system in its current state is a massive grindfest that's downright painful. It's nice that they've tried to make the process more engaging, but it's a moot point if the system isn't fun.

I hate to requote something... so I won't. Just look at this other thread post.

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I'm obviously joking... I thought that was obvious...

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But I guess some things are just lost on some people. Have you not noticed that the only thing this obviously alt account does is just bitch and bitch and never offer anything but more bitching? Thus, she is fair game.

At least in my eyes. And that's good enough for me.

Why the hell would I contribute to the "discussion"? And why is the word "sheep" so popular nowadays?

Them young'uns, I tell you...

Bitching, bitching, bitching is constructive criticisms. Otherwise SE would be sitting there with their thumb up their butt wondering why they have so little subs. If you don't like something, say so. I have more respect for people who stand up and say why they don't like the game then people who bitch at them for complaining.

Whats gonna change the game? Someone who criticizes or someone who keeps praising every little application.

Why sheep? Because if someone makes a thread thats remotely critical, you betcha there's going to be the people following making little comments like "troll" "GTFO" hoping to have the thread locked down for going off topic. As you can see by the first few pages, there's quite a few of the "bandwagon" types. If you have no interest in the topic, then stay out of it.

On topic

The OP has every right to ask this question. I believe he/she is wrong but only time will tell. I just couldn't really see the updates prior to 2.0 having no ties with how 2.0 is played out. I'll assume this next year is is the continuation of beta. I'd be mind numbingly gob smacked if none of these updates are not carried over to 2.0. It would a waste of resources.

We'll have a year of patches to see whether or not this game goes in the direction that the majority will like. Lets wait and see.

[Answa]

Bitching, bitching, bitching is constructive criticisms. Otherwise SE would be sitting there with their thumb up their butt wondering why they have so little subs. If you don't like something, say so. I have more respect for people who stand up and say why they don't like the game then people who bitch at them for complaining.

Whats gonna change the game? Someone who criticizes or someone who keeps praising every little application.

Why sheep? Because if someone makes a thread thats remotely critical, you betcha there's going to be the people following making little comments like "troll" "GTFO" hoping to have the thread locked down for going off topic. As you can see by the first few pages, there's quite a few of the "bandwagon" types. If you have no interest in the topic, then stay out of it.

On topic

The OP has every right to ask this question. I believe he/she is wrong but only time will tell. I just couldn't really see the updates prior to 2.0 having no ties with how 2.0 is played out. I'll assume this next year is is the continuation of beta. I'd be mind numbingly gob smacked if none of these updates are not carried over to 2.0. It would a waste of resources.

We'll have a year of patches to see whether or not this game goes in the direction that the majority will like. Lets wait and see.

You've clearly not seen her other threads and posts. And talking about her is actually staying on topic. Because this is all about how miserable she is while playing this game. I've not seen a single positive thing coming from her. I've not gleaned a shimmer of hope from any of her words. It's always: This game sucks blah blah blah. Not: I like this game and I hope it gets better, but this worries me. [continue post]

On topic:

She continuously says how absolutely terrible all of Yoshida's decisions and his directions are.

This brings the obvious response: If you don't like it, if it's not your cup of tea, nobody here is forcing you to stay. Yoshida's not going anywhere.

And no. If someone makes a constructive thread, even if being completely critical, it will at least garner some respect and hopefully inspire some debate. Like... this? Perhaps this. Hell, maybe even this.

I admit I tend to just accept situations as they come and not overly criticize most things, like this game. It keeps me happy and free from the plague of dissatisfaction when it comes to entertainment (obviously this does not apply to my job... I'm a stress freak then). But I can appreciate a well-thought-out criticism instead of a random flinging of metaphorical doodoo like is consistently spewed from our guest of honor.

[Buddhsie]

Before I begin, I just want to say that I think that most of the concepts for Version 2.0 look good. But that's the problem. It only looks good.

When you think about it, 90% of the gameplay is the combat system and the crafting system. The quests and the environments (i.e. the other 10%) merely provide the substrate for that experience. In terms of fractions, most of the game will still be the "same old same old" . . . won't it?

Won't we just be doing the same stuff as always, but with a different backdrop (and the ability to jump up and down)?

I guess my point is, the concepts all look like improvements (cartooniness notwithstanding), but is it really enough? The combat system and crafting systems have a long way to go before they can really be deemed engaging.

I submit to you that the combat systems and crafting systems are not yet enthralling enough to guarantee this game's success, and quite frankly, masking it with some pretty pictures and new zones may not be the best way to go.

The game's foundations are what needs most work, right? And yet the only things that seem to be getting extensive work are the superficial aspects of the game.

No, the combat system is recieving constant updates even now. The tweaking of abilities, timers, ability stacking, battle regimens and speeds of the overall fight is continually being updated, and the plans are to continue this updating forevaaaaa. I mean.. those are the things that make up the combat system right? Lol.. Why even bother making a thread when you haven't the slightest idea of what the devs have stated and are doing?? It's nice that you wrongly criticise something without even making a suggestion of an improvement, total troll thread.

Baffling!

[Buddhsie]

Bitching, bitching, bitching is constructive criticisms. Otherwise SE would be sitting there with their thumb up their butt wondering why they have so little subs. If you don't like something, say so. I have more respect for people who stand up and say why they don't like the game then people who bitch at them for complaining.

Whats gonna change the game? Someone who criticizes or someone who keeps praising every little application.

Why sheep? Because if someone makes a thread thats remotely critical, you betcha there's going to be the people following making little comments like "troll" "GTFO" hoping to have the thread locked down for going off topic. As you can see by the first few pages, there's quite a few of the "bandwagon" types. If you have no interest in the topic, then stay out of it.

On topic

The OP has every right to ask this question. I believe he/she is wrong but only time will tell. I just couldn't really see the updates prior to 2.0 having no ties with how 2.0 is played out. I'll assume this next year is is the continuation of beta. I'd be mind numbingly gob smacked if none of these updates are not carried over to 2.0. It would a waste of resources.

We'll have a year of patches to see whether or not this game goes in the direction that the majority will like. Lets wait and see.

First time I've ever seen someone say that people who have a positive opinion of the game and are mostly politely telling the OP that it's completely and utterly wrong that they are bitches. I guess there's a first for everything.

Fact of the matter is, the entire reason the thread was made was to criticise the, in the eyes of the poster, lack of updates and planned updates to the combat and crafting system. It's completely wrong, people have a right to tell the OP that it's stupid. Why even bother making the post in the first place, it just screams "I don't know what I'm talking about, free pass to tell me how dumb I sound!".

[Tiraelina]

First time I've ever seen someone say that people who have a positive opinion of the game and are mostly politely telling the OP that it's completely and utterly wrong that they are bitches. I guess there's a first for everything.

Fact of the matter is, the entire reason the thread was made was to criticise the, in the eyes of the poster, lack of updates and planned updates to the combat and crafting system. It's completely wrong, people have a right to tell the OP that it's stupid. Why even bother making the post in the first place, it just screams "I don't know what I'm talking about, free pass to tell me how dumb I sound!".

Good thing this forum doesn't take open statements and twist its meaning to their desire right? If anyone thinks something should be changed they get attacked for it much like the series of crafting threads in the other sub forum. There's nothing in the Roadmap for crafting that isn't more fluff. DoL has been getting needlessly simplified every chance they get and barely any of the abilities actually make a noticeable difference for how rarely they proc. I don't really care what they gave other websites in interviews up to half a year or more ago, none of it showed up in the Roadmap at all.

[ellohwell]

No, the combat system is recieving constant updates even now. The tweaking of abilities, timers, ability stacking, battle regimens and speeds of the overall fight is continually being updated, and the plans are to continue this updating forevaaaaa. I mean.. those are the things that make up the combat system right? Lol.. Why even bother making a thread when you haven't the slightest idea of what the devs have stated and are doing?? It's nice that you wrongly criticise something without even making a suggestion of an improvement, total troll thread.

Baffling!

tweaking of abilities, timers, speed of fights is exactly my point. Tweaking the battle system isn't going to make the game good.