Are role actions a nerf?

[Kaisinel]

Most dungeons esuna can be used to cleanse usually avoidable debuffs

Most trials, you don't need esuna.

Most 8 man raids, you don't need esuna.

Most 24 man raids, you don't need esuna

This should give you a general idea what places Esuna is applicable. Usually Esunable debuffs are avoidable

Also, with 4.0, you can see what debuffs can be Esunable now, instead of it being a guessing game.
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There are only a few instances in which Esuna is required, those are generally for insta kill debuffs such as A3s and Doom.

Esuna is generally a dead skill.

[Ama_Hamada]

Most dungeons esuna can be used to cleanse usually avoidable debuffs

Exactly and you do not see that increasing social problems in DFs?
*DPS complains about needing esuna*
*Healer complains you should of dodged*
*party kicks the healer because it is always the healer's fault when things go wrong*

illusion of choice of important BASELINE skills is a bad idea.

So then why are you trying to defend the assertion that Esuna is a mandatory skill when for a very significant majority of the game it adds very little, nor does it refute the assertion that it's entirely extra depending on party make up. Got a bard? He can cleanse anything Esuna can and faster with Keeper's Paean. Inflicted with poison? Spend a gcd to apply a Regen, go back to dpsing, or the afflicted player uses an antidote. Both cases are resolved with no need for the healer to do anything other than dps. Do you have a counter for the use of medicines/keeper's?

because this is not true? Also a level 58 ability replacing a 18 ability thinking it is a replacement for the majority of the content of the game when the game does not let you use it, ok. I guess you are magically 60 these days, well I guess SB will allow that so maybe I will soon be wrong.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

because this is not true?

Factually incorrect. Bard's have a skill called Keepers paean that's an esuna/status shield, antidotes, spine drops, and other status negating items are already in the game as well, so you may want to rethink that.

[Ama_Hamada]

Factually incorrect. Bard's have a skill called Keepers paean that's an esuna/status shield, antidotes, spine drops, and other status negating items are already in the game as well, so you may want to rethink that.

You might to rethink there is other levels in the game besides 58-60. Leeches at 40 always sucked, and this new system makes it even worse, what a joke.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

You might to rethink there is other levels in the game besides 58-60. Leeches at 40 always sucked, and this new system makes it even worse, what a joke.

http://xivdb.com/action/3561/the+warden's+paean

http://xivdb.com/item/4564/antidote

http://xivdb.com/item/4568/spine+drops

http://xivdb.com/item/4566/echo+drops

http://xivdb.com/item/4567/smelling+salts

http://xivdb.com/item/4565/eye+drops

http://xivdb.com/item/4569/gold+needle

You may once again want to rethink your assertion. There are other far more viable ways to remove most statuses then esuna.

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I wouldn't say esuna is better the way it is now. If anything, I'd argue it's even worse because rather being able to have a more useful skill, esuna is taking up that spot.

[Kaisinel]

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Okay so the complaint is dungeons and esuna? You're aware healers currently do not esuna with it currently being baseline, correct?

You forgot the part where *healer is being condescending/rude/asshat/etc.* for the reason they got kicked.

Why is DF poor experience such a common phenomenon for you?

Illusion of choice when most of the time Esuna is completely useless.

[SendohJin]

Exactly and you do not see that increasing social problems in DFs?
*DPS complains about needing esuna*
*Healer complains you should of dodged*
*party kicks the healer because it is always the healer's fault when things go wrong*

this would be an actual problem if there aren't already healers that don't use it now when they already have it.

the amount of people this would affect is infinitesimal.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

I get the feeling that you're crying foul over nothing. We don't know everything about the role system yet, however it will allow us to ensure we have no useless space on our bars, and will let people adapt their own play styles. While I can certainly understand a bit of apprehension and nervousness, the degree of falling sky being shown in this thread is mildly absurd.
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Did ya miss the part where we said you can slot them based on composition and what is needed for the content or are you ignoring it because it doesn't suit the dialogue you are trying to push?

Most people won't be making hotbars or switching things out, it's tedious. I'm sure some find that aspect "fun" but I don't and I do believe many will agree. I like to keep the same set up and having a debate about not needing Esuna, protect or shroud is laughable.

Swapping the hotbars around more than likely will double, if not more, the time it takes to switch your cross role skills around.
And as it is now, is rather annoying to do.

Thus, people will keep ALL the cross role skills on the bars to not have to switch the hotbars...
Now we've got a minimum of 5 hotbar slots used up at all times that are useless space