Are role actions a nerf?

[Ama_Hamada]

Factually incorrect. Bard's have a skill called Keepers paean that's an esuna/status shield, antidotes, spine drops, and other status negating items are already in the game as well, so you may want to rethink that.

You might to rethink there is other levels in the game besides 58-60. Leeches at 40 always sucked, and this new system makes it even worse, what a joke.

[Kaisinel]

rant

Okay so the complaint is dungeons and esuna? You're aware healers currently do not esuna with it currently being baseline, correct?

You forgot the part where *healer is being condescending/rude/asshat/etc.* for the reason they got kicked.

Why is DF poor experience such a common phenomenon for you?

Illusion of choice when most of the time Esuna is completely useless.

[SendohJin]

Exactly and you do not see that increasing social problems in DFs?
*DPS complains about needing esuna*
*Healer complains you should of dodged*
*party kicks the healer because it is always the healer's fault when things go wrong*

this would be an actual problem if there aren't already healers that don't use it now when they already have it.

the amount of people this would affect is infinitesimal.

[Aramina]

I am not going to use Esuna in dungeons now. I will report how many times I get kicked for it.

edit: I am going to start the count at not being kicked 10 times because I have done Baelsar's Wall at least that many times and have never used Esuna there and have never been kicked.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

I get the feeling that you're crying foul over nothing. We don't know everything about the role system yet, however it will allow us to ensure we have no useless space on our bars, and will let people adapt their own play styles. While I can certainly understand a bit of apprehension and nervousness, the degree of falling sky being shown in this thread is mildly absurd.
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Did ya miss the part where we said you can slot them based on composition and what is needed for the content or are you ignoring it because it doesn't suit the dialogue you are trying to push?

Most people won't be making hotbars or switching things out, it's tedious. I'm sure some find that aspect "fun" but I don't and I do believe many will agree. I like to keep the same set up and having a debate about not needing Esuna, protect or shroud is laughable.

Swapping the hotbars around more than likely will double, if not more, the time it takes to switch your cross role skills around.
And as it is now, is rather annoying to do.

Thus, people will keep ALL the cross role skills on the bars to not have to switch the hotbars...
Now we've got a minimum of 5 hotbar slots used up at all times that are useless space

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

You might to rethink there is other levels in the game besides 58-60. Leeches at 40 always sucked, and this new system makes it even worse, what a joke.

http://xivdb.com/action/3561/the+warden's+paean

http://xivdb.com/item/4564/antidote

http://xivdb.com/item/4568/spine+drops

http://xivdb.com/item/4566/echo+drops

http://xivdb.com/item/4567/smelling+salts

http://xivdb.com/item/4565/eye+drops

http://xivdb.com/item/4569/gold+needle

You may once again want to rethink your assertion. There are other far more viable ways to remove most statuses then esuna.

Snip.

I wouldn't say esuna is better the way it is now. If anything, I'd argue it's even worse because rather being able to have a more useful skill, esuna is taking up that spot.

[bswpayton]

So then why are you trying to defend the assertion that Esuna is a mandatory skill when for a very significant majority of the

The better question should be is esuna better the way it is now all healers have one , and if u need it u could use it. Is this better than oh now its an option if u dont have it have fun possibly wiping ur first time in a new dungeon because u didnt have a debuff for the tank. It was fine the way it was, alot of things where fine the way they where and now they come with this jacked up system we didnt even need when they could of just simply unlocked all cross class abilities and there wouldnt be one single complaint thread on the forums right now but instead its like 10 of them.

[RLofOBFL]

The only time I esuna is cleansable doom, paralysis or very high damage dots like concussion or hefty bleeds, which are mostly avoidable. How many duties are there with those things? 10 tops? Usually paralysis is actually avoidable too so if you ignore an AoE and get it I have little remorse for you.

My issue is constantly swapping role skills would be a pain so you should be able to register them to your gearsets for convenience.

Besides....aren't cross role skills interchangeable mid duty and no longer have a CD penalty? ./shrug

[Ama_Hamada]

This argument is pointless since we do not know what they truly done to change the jobs and what will be used in the role thing. They said it is not the final version and ill leave with this.

MAKING BASELINE ABILITIES OPTIONAL LIKE PROVOKE, ESUNA, PROTECT only makes problems. It is not helping anything. It just makes a skill gap for people that do not repeatedly change out the abilities. Quoting me items and a level 58 ability is a joke, shows you are not even reading what I am saying. People never use items in random dfs.....

Lets make abilities used in rotations optional so we confuse people more.

[joannaluttrell]

My issue is constantly swapping role skills would be a pain so you should be able to register them to your gearsets for convenience.

You can do this with a macro.