Are role actions a nerf?

[Ama_Hamada]

Can you really not tell the difference between "optional only if you want to be bad" and "optional ANY time there isn't a critical debuff"? Well I guess you can't since you keep comparing them.

edit: If cure were a cross-role skill then THAT would be the same. But Esuna? No.

Not esuna debuffs is bad, not having esuna baseline is bad. I do not see how someone can ague otherwise. All it is going to do is cause worse DF social problems then we have currently, same with protect. I entered a level 17 guildhest above all things telling me healers need protect. (everyone with a brain knows first slot goes to cleric)

Fire 4 is optional in the sense that if you don't want to do high DPS, you'd never use it. Esuna doesn't have that same argument, especially in end game raids where dispellable debuffs are few and far between. Many are the times when I wished I could swap Esuna for something infinitely more useful. As of now, a rough estimate places maybe 10% of the debuffs currently in game people can remove, and of that small number, 1-2% of them are mandatory, while the remaining number won't have any appreciable impact on your dungeon run.

On another note, it's kinda funny to me to see people are defending a skill that's almost as niche as PLD's Tempered Will.

You can clear dungeons just spamming wide volley, does that make it s a good idea? defending bad ideas is mind bogging to me

[Aramina]

Not esuna debuffs is bad, not having esuna baseline is bad. I do not see how someone can ague otherwise. All it is going to do is cause worse DF social problems then we have currently, same with protect. I entered a level 17 guildhest above all things telling me healers need protect. (everyone with a brain knows first slot goes to cleric)



You can clear dungeons just spamming wide volley, does that make it s a good idea? defending bad ideas is mind bogging to me

Ok you are right. Everything sucks. We are all going to die a horrible death.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

defending bad ideas is mind bogging to me

So then why are you trying to defend the assertion that Esuna is a mandatory skill when for a very significant majority of the game it adds very little, nor does it refute the assertion that it's entirely extra depending on party make up. Got a bard? He can cleanse anything Esuna can and faster with Keeper's Paean. Inflicted with poison? Spend a gcd to apply a Regen, go back to dpsing, or the afflicted player uses an antidote. Both cases are resolved with no need for the healer to do anything other than dps. Do you have a counter for the use of medicines/keeper's?

[bswpayton]

So then why are you trying to defend the assertion that Esuna is a mandatory skill when for a very significant majority of the

The better question should be is esuna better the way it is now all healers have one , and if u need it u could use it. Is this better than oh now its an option if u dont have it have fun possibly wiping ur first time in a new dungeon because u didnt have a debuff for the tank. It was fine the way it was, alot of things where fine the way they where and now they come with this jacked up system we didnt even need when they could of just simply unlocked all cross class abilities and there wouldnt be one single complaint thread on the forums right now but instead its like 10 of them.