Are role actions a nerf?

[Ultimatecalibur]

To get this straight...

They've taken skills that were previously on some jobs as level unlocks; some of which were cross-class skills, and made them separate as this so-called cross-role skills; all while doing away with cross-class as it is - or if so, was?

If that's right then yes, personally I consider that a nerf... big time... as well as being pointless as they took a system that exists and added a few good additions to it - yet made it worse; one step forward - two steps back etc.

You have several things really off.

Several niche skills and several must have skills for all classes in a role along with several new abilities have been moved to a role based list all members of that role have access to replacing the cross-class skill list that often were filled with random skills of varied levels of usefulness.

White Mage is not loosing access to those skills and most of the skills being moved are getting new replacement skills in it's class skill list.

White Mage is losing access to the following cross-class skills: Ruin (redundant), Physic (redundant), Virus and Blizzard 2 (underused).
The following Conjurer class skills are being moved to the cross-role list and new abilities will be replacing them: Cleric Stance (now a DpS buff), Protect and Esuna.
The White Mage is maintaining access to the following cross-class abilities in the cross-role list: Swiftcast, Surecast, and Eye for an Eye
The White Mage is gaining access to the following new cross-role abilities: Break, Lucid Dream, Affection and Rescue

The White Mage will maintain the ability to select 5 of it's cross-class/role abilities with the list increased to 10 total abilities.

This will only be a nerf if the 4 replaced abilities were more useful than the new abilities and the replacement abilities for the abilities moved into the cross-role are less useful than any ability moved into the cross-role list.

[Derio]

Apparently it looks like bloodbath, mercy stroke are gone. It does seem like a nerf, but many things were rebalanced so we wont know until patch day.

[Shougun]

Apparently it looks like bloodbath, mercy stroke are gone. It does seem like a nerf, but many things were rebalanced so we wont know until patch day.

I was wondering if perhaps Warrior gets more mitigation abilities through their consumption of wrath/damage and Dark Knight would then get more/powerful blood magic.. Perhaps they're breaking up their themes a little more. I mean their bar is called the "Blood Gauge" lol.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

Looking forward to, 'Rescuing,' a DPS running ahead of the Tank now. Mwuha!

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I got the impression that one of trhe requirements to use it was that the player(s?) were on a monster's enmity list.
Thus, it's an in combat only skill.

Apparently it looks like bloodbath, mercy stroke are gone. It does seem like a nerf, but many things were rebalanced so we wont know until patch day.

I think I saw some katakana that I thought was Bloodbath on the melee dps role abilities...

I'd have to crawl back through the stream to be certain though.

[freall7]

The healer role actions are
Cleric stance
Break
Protect
Esuna
Lucid dream
Swiftcast
Eye for an eye
Mystery skill with the divine seal icon
Surecast
Rescue

As a white mage I can already have at least 6 of these at once. Possibly 7 or 8 if the skill with the divine seal icon is replacing it, and/or if lucid dream is a replacement for shroud of saints (the icon looks similar and shroud is not on Yoshi's hotbar). Once role actions are added I will have to choose between 5 of them.

Are there more pictures floating around with esuna on the roles tab, because based on the picture, it isn't there.

[bswpayton]

Apparently it looks like bloodbath, mercy stroke are gone. It does seem like a nerf, but many things were rebalanced so we wont know until patch day.

it seems they are killing warrior as a tank and focusing on them dpsing more on a warrior blood bath is better than rampart

[SpookyGhost]

it seems they are killing warrior as a tank and focusing on them dpsing more on a warrior blood bath is better than rampart

Depends on how hard the boss/mobs hit.

[Driavna]

It's not a nerf, also looks like SE want people to tweak our skills based on want we are doing. For example, in a raid, there is no need for both healers with protection. No need to clean any debuff? Don't use Esuna!

Also now devs know for sure that certain skills are going to be always present so they can tweak encounters around this. The best example is Rescue, imagine an encounter where from time to time the boss stun and then push his current tank, wiping all aggro (or a random player) outside the area and need to be rescued before fall and die (since that player is stun he can't use skills like plunge).

[bswpayton]

It's not a nerf, also looks like SE want people to tweak our skills based on want we are doing. For example, in a raid, there is no need for both healers with protection. No need to clean any debuff? Don't use Esuna!

Also now devs know for sure that certain skills are going to be always present so they can tweak encounters around this. The best example is Rescue, imagine an encounter where from time to time the boss stun and then push his current tank, wiping all aggro (or a random player) outside the area and need to be rescued before fall and die (since that player is stun he can't use skills like plunge).

so your sayin now everytime we do a difference instance we need to go back to our additional abilities list and change everything up, that doesnt seem like anything id wana do really

[Driavna]

so your sayin now everytime we do a difference instance we need to go back to our additional abilities list and change everything up, that doesnt seem like anything id wana do really

For raiding (savage and extreme primals only) I almost sure, for casual content just slot based on what you are going to do, no point in picking a taunt during questing as a Tank instead of an extra stun for example.