Are role actions a nerf?

[Shougun]

What? I already encounter healers without swiftcast all the time, because they don't want to level thaumaturge. If anything, this will increase the number of healers with swiftcast.

What? I didn't say anything otherwise . I just noticed it was a slotted ability and there are a lot of choices, so I "look forward to seeing all the healers without it". Sort of those when you needed it you'll know you really needed it.

The system is more forgiving than the older one but it won't change that you'll get people without it, hence the argument going on right now about whether they should have been core abilities or not. I added to my first post's point later (somewhere burred on page eleventytwo or whatever) on just to be more clear about it.

The whole ":3" was to try and show I was being cheeky. We'll definitely still have healers without swift cast when everyone thinks they should, no esuna on a doom heavy boss, but it is true at least now its "please adjust" works even better lol.

[Nestmile]

...Am I the only one who's distracted by the fact that the slots are now levels 12, 20, 32, 40, and 48? Obviously by even the end of ARR it's a moot point, but it seems weird to lock players out of a third extra cross-class ability in Haukke Manor but give them an extra one for Aurum Vale, which off the top of my head are pretty much the only dungeons that are affected by a change like this.

[Vaer]

The pull ability sounds like a hilariously terrible idea. I mean I guess you could drag that guy who decides they are going to afk outside the barrier and leech a kill but there are so many troll applications of an ability that pulls.

Maybe there are some heavy restrictions on it. I would hope they would have thought about that before green lighting it.

[Greedalox]

The pull ability sounds like a hilariously terrible idea. I mean I guess you could drag that guy who decides they are going to afk outside the barrier and leech a kill but there are so many troll applications of an ability that pulls.

Maybe there are some heavy restrictions on it. I would hope they would have thought about that before green lighting it.

I'm privy to it being green lit because we really need to stray from basic utility formats. There's only so many ways you can relabel a DoT/Regen/Threat generation or of the sort until it's just the same thing renamed. Trolls will be trolls will be trolls, kick em if you got em- just as it's always been. If they're going to troll you with a new spell they were probably the sort to troll you in other ways. This hopefully opens doors for a wider variety of utility! It's a great first step imo!

[Blazinhart]

I don't see it as a negative thing. We don't know how the revamp of the class-exclusive skills are, and we can have things that compensate the choices we may have to make. And tbh, IMO, for me the ones that are importante are Protect, Swiftcast, MP recovering, Esuna. So it leaves an extra slot for me to choose btween the rest.

I'm really excited for the changes and keen to try them

[Xlantaa]

THere is not a nerf if all of them are nerfed/buffed.

[Aethaeryn]

The pull ability sounds like a hilariously terrible idea. I mean I guess you could drag that guy who decides they are going to afk outside the barrier and leech a kill but there are so many troll applications of an ability that pulls.

Maybe there are some heavy restrictions on it. I would hope they would have thought about that before green lighting it.

Can't not add features just because a few people might troll with it. Just like vote abandon spam or readycheck spam etc. People will troll with it for a little while, but they'll eventually get bored and stop. I honestly can't remember the last time someone trolled me with the WoW or swtor equivalent of Rescue. Either way, I guess they could add an option to block the skill just in case.

@OP: I have similar concerns. Needing to use cross-role slots to use abilities we were previously provided by the class seems like a nerf to me.

[Vexander]

Looking forward to, 'Rescuing,' a DPS running ahead of the Tank now. Mwuha!

Kidding aside, I guess we'll have to wait and see how bad the abuse of the ability is. Its clearly meant to drag people out of AOE. That said, I can't see a situation a healer isn't taking: Swiftcast, Protect, Esuna, Saint's Shroud, and Eye for an Eye. I imagine for Full Parties one Healer could grab Protect and Eye for an Eye, and the other grab Cleric Stance and another ability, both holding onto Swiftcast, Esuna, and Saint's Shroud.

[Edit]: If anything about the new Role System concerns me its the Transfer of 20% MP to other party members. Going to suck if DPS Casters become glorified Mana Batteries, though I'm not unhappy we have more synergy with Healers.

[Ultimatecalibur]

[Edit]: If anything about the new Role System concerns me its the Transfer of 20% MP to other party members. Going to suck if DPS Casters become glorified Mana Batteries, though I'm not unhappy we have more synergy with Healers.

Think of it as an ability that lets Black Mages, Red Mages and Summoners replace Bards and Machinists.

Also lets you pay the Healer back for Resing you and you can both be annoyed at the dps who keep dying.

[Vexander]

Think of it as an ability that lets Black Mages, Red Mages and Summoners replace Bards and Machinists.

Also lets you pay the Healer back for Resing you and you can both be annoyed at the dps who keep dying.

Well, replace them as far as MP is concerned, not TP. That said, I feel like BLMs will probably end up the real mana batteries. Umbral Ice is just a very potent mana restoring mechanic. 20% MP would be recovered in a tick of Umbral Ice III.