5 reasons why PS4 players need a parser in game

[Reiryuu]

That depends how they design the parser, I can think of several ways to design a parser that doesn't cause min-max problems.

Not really. Any parser that does not feed the need or desire to exclude or control people would have to have a non-qualifiable output. No numbers, no colors, no words such as "good" "so-so" "poor", etc. Such a parser would not only be useless (it doesn't give you anything you can use), but unwanted by the very people who want them in the first place. In other words, it would be Stone Sky Sea. =p

[Lambdafish]

Not really. Any parser that does not feed the need or desire to exclude or control people would have to have a non-qualifiable output. No numbers, no colors, no words such as "good" "so-so" "poor", etc. Such a parser would not only be useless (it doesn't give you anything you can use), but unwanted by the very people who want them in the first place. In other words, it would be Stone Sky Sea. =p

Actually just the first one, you are talking about min-maxing so the only thing that needs to be hidden is the minimum and maximum value. With colours and indicators of success, you can reasonably tell when you are doing your job correct, even if you are not at maximum efficiency.

[akaneakki]

People can improve their play style without a parser. Is it useful to show someone that they can improve their rotation? Maybe. Do parser's lead to issues with harassment? Definitely. The fact is, a parser already exists as a third party system for PC. It doesn't need to exist on PS4. If it is such a great tool, SE would have added it in by now.

"Fun" is a flexible term. So, your definition of fun, will not mean the same thing as another person's definition of fun. For example, you find a parser to be "fun." I find a parser to be a life sucking tool on the game. It is all about opinion and past experience's or lack their of in other MMO's.

Let me ask you this. You do a savage or extreme primal. You enter and then you do really low (just a feeling you have) you do it over 20 times and you think you still do good and then later find out you didn't do so well as you thought it be.What would you think or feel at this point? You know what this is like? The feeling of doing good. People asume, not everyone but some do because they see hard crits and so on, but has no meaning when they do lower everywhere else. So yes a paser can improve you form of rotations in an actuall fight. There is no maybe, it WILL help them improve. If you had a parser avaible and let's say you did 40% of out of let's say 75-80% of what you should do, then adjust your rotation depending on the damage you do. Suddenly you see a change and you try to change again to get even more damage. There is no ''maybe'' it will improve players who are using it as a tool to help themselves out, which is what a parser do. Do rotation lead to issues with harrasement? Sure, but then you rarely see it even when so many pc player using it. The reason isn't becaue it's ''bannable'' using it, the reason is because it's harrasment calling people shit. SE think the community has no flaws and then think it will add it. There is so much flaw in the community. I see even the most amazing, great and helpful people in game and on the forum who gets spitted on their faces for trying to help others.

Let me put your example here: ''Can a parser improve a persons rotation'' You say maybe, I say yes. Why? People who actually gave out rotations used a parser to see how to maximize it. Then you say ''Do parser lead to issues with harrasment''
That's like saying; I can use chat in every duty finder and it can lead to harrasment. There is 90% more chance of being harrased by a persn whos not willing to improve and help the group, than a person using a parser harrasing you.

And like you said ''Fun'' is a flexibale term. You said people shouldn't care about a parser as long they have fun. So I will repeat myself; it's fun for some people to improve themselves. And keep in mind, some people's ''fun'' isn't fun for others. A guy spamming fire and ice between every 2 cast might be fun for that person, but clearly not as much fun for the other people in the group. If you want to go with that mentality, nothing would been done and if it was, it would take ages. I highly doubt people want to get stuck in 1 hour expert roulette when they are sick and tired of the same 2 dungeons for months. I doubt it's fun when something is fun when you hit enrage every 2-3 fights. If you are good at something and you do the same thing all over again, not will you only save time but other players time too. It's like saying it's fine to work at your job for 5 years and be bad at it as you were the first week because you weren't used to it. There is no asset to that.

Like I said, having the feeling you do good vs actually doing good is a huge difference.

[Ailith-D]

Hey OP, I was a former ps4 player.
Been raiding since T4 was a thing, back on my PS3 then switched to PS4 from T5 to A8S.

I was lucky enough to get some $ for a gaming PC so I switched. I will never go back to PS4, ONLY because of my parser. I do not find playing a "blind" dps fun. It's allowed me to literally get better as a player.

So yea, I agree with you. It sucks for PS4 players, it really does. I genuinely hope some sort of meaningful meter is installed in game, whether it just be on a target dummy or not.

Thank you for understanding what I was talking about. It's frustrating to see others say that we don't need a parser just because we can ask our friends or static members to parse us, I wish I could switch to a PC but sadly thats not an option for me and it's not a solution to the problem, I blame SE for this they should stop treating parsers like it's the reason why we have assholes in game.

[Mirateski]

If people are worried about harrassment, why not just add an official parser or parse-type program (whether it gives hard numbers, or a grade compared to inputted averages/logged numbers, whatever) for savage? Have it show you a quick window upon either a clear or a total party wipe. Literally nobody 'casual' enough to be harrassed for low dps is going to be running anything past multiple wipes of floor 1 in relevant savage content anyway, and if you don't want it, just add a tickbox to the PF menu that says "don't show dps comparisons in savage".

I say just savage and not ex because ex primals are a gateway drug to raiding, so you'll get a lot more non-optimised people in there who are "at risk" of this harassment that totally wouldn't occur without an official parser /s
Hell, even something at the end of a duty that said "sup, you died once and missed four times!" would be more useful than literally nothing at all.

[Jim_Berry]

1- Every group that raids have at least 1 parser working even if its technically not legal but SE knows players are using parsers and they are not doing anything to stop them.

This wasn't always the case, but I'm seeing more of it now. Groups, not just the leader, is asking for 80 percentile. My problem is, many parses are not uploaded. I FINALLY broke 2.5k dps as NIN in A11S according to the group, but it was not uploaded (I'm on PS4). Some people really want to Raid, but the community puts a lot of pressure there. I'll always stand by my saying: "People want high dps but always fail mechanics, while people who do average dps will always survive the mechanics." Have you seen "farm" parties as of late? There's a high success rate of clear groups becoming farms than farm groups running more than twice.

2- Raid groups always ask for parses when they are looking for members.

Goes back to my statement above, when it sucks that all parses are NOT uploaded.

3- Using "Stone, Sky, Sea" only helps you if you are learning your job and your rotation, we all know DPSing in a fight is way different.

Agreed! I can clear A11S SSS as WAR in Defiance, but that's if I'm spamming Butcher's Block and Storm's Eye. If I do Storm's Eye and Storm's Path, I cut it close, sometimes failing. However, in a group, the MT usually gets upset at my Butcher's Block (for obvious reasons), so I'm reduced to Path and Eye because the DRK, for example, does not want to use Power Slash due to dps loss. The arguement then is that he don't want to lose dps, but would fuss about my lack of dps.

4- Getting better at endgame and optimizing DPS require having a parser running to see your DPS while mechanics are happening, asking your friends or party members about your DPS after the clear won't tell you what you have to work on (I'm talking about small things not messing up your rotation).

Having a parser is not required. Personally, I'm no dps god, but I can FEEL when I'm not doing a lot. If I find myself hitting the mob with Aoelian Edge when it's facing us, I know I didn't hit hard because I didn't use Dancing Edge at that point. When I'm on PLD, and in Sword Oath, and getting two to three Royal Authorities before needing to reapply Goring Blade without using Halone after the initial pull and STILL hold hate, I know I did justice.

I've grown to accept that you cannot please anyone but yourself. I didn't understand that until AFTER I dropped NIN to become a PLD and AST after hearing that my NIN dps stinks. Currently, while I main PLD with AST alt, my love is still for my NIN, but I'm burned from the parses that I'll never raid on my NIN again.

[shao32]

Time and again players have shown that if there's something they can lord over each other they will.

and they ask to repeat the story all over again in this game too, he... the proof we are humans after all, but im glad at least yoshi and the team put they hands in the table and say no, but i feel bad every time they have to dealt with the dam question, how many times he need to say no be clear?

[Leanna]

They can always add a parser and remove the chat so snowflakes won't cry when someone calls them bad, because they won't be able to. They did it with Feast, so there is no reason to don't do it again. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Tigerlilley]

Having a parser is not required. Personally, I'm no dps god, but I can FEEL when I'm not doing a lot.

This is the most hilarious quote in this thread. I actually laughed out loud.

[Jetstream_Fox]

This is the most hilarious quote in this thread. I actually laughed out loud.

Almost as hilarious as you thinking switching to pc and using a parser made you better.