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    AegisKiddo's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI View Post

    We are not handicapped players in this game simply by being on console. Yes, I'm all for anything that can help any player learn and improve, but we've got to stop thinking of ourselves at a disadvantage first. How do you get those big numbers? Perform effective, proper rotations. All the information is out there, and experience IS the best teacher. And you don't need a parser just to know what to do.
    Although, I'm normally ambivalent to these kind of debates concerning parsers, as a prior PS4 turn PC player, I can happily say I wont go back. In the case of the PC vs PS4 advantages, I can already think of few on the top of my head out of the many that plagued me. For example progging any raid content were movements are key, were always more trouble then needed be. A11s comes to mind, I'd have to be a time traveller just to dodge the directional swords, this is due to the PS4 having added lag, because its simply not optimised.

    The day I bought myself a PC, the aoes was as clear as day and didn't require me to move as preemptively, as if this was the Titan ex days. Do any match of shatter and hit the ice with 30 or more players surrounding it, you'll experience lag as if your running FF14 on a toaster. In short PS4 players have a disadvantage in the technical department.

    This can be applied to rotations as well and it could mean difference between a your gcd timing, even worse pressing ocds, double weaving etc. Transferring to the PC my dps had indeed gone up by a 50, simply because my gcds were faster and mechanics were easier to deal with, executing both with the PCs hardware lead to this improvement. In my opinion PS4 players have the inferior experience when it comes to raiding vs a PC players many benefits
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    Quote Originally Posted by AegisKiddo View Post
    In my opinion PS4 players have the inferior experience when it comes to raiding vs a PC players many benefits
    In my experience I have never found myself at any kind of disadvantage to a PC player while raiding or playing in PvP matches. To be fair, I do make active efforts to play and perform well, with the means available to me. If such a vast disparity between PC and PS4 existed, it might possibly warrant separate game servers, but such isn't the case.

    Still, without making this a PC/Console debate, your mileage may vary. Not every PC runs the game perfectly, not every PS4 player is disadvantaged for not having parser access, and both sides have varying levels of player ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI View Post
    In my experience I have never found myself at any kind of disadvantage to a PC player while raiding or playing in PvP matches.
    Maybe not, but (and I think the OP explained this poorly) you are disadvantaged in your freedom to use one. Just because you don't need or want it doesn't stop you being in a disadvantageous position, there may come a time when you want to use one to check damage calculations against a friend, and can't simply because of your platform of choice. Parsers are useful, to some not necessary, but they are definitely a good tool that is only available to half of the playerbase.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Right because we totally should force the aids that is parsing on ps4 players as well. Face it, the devs don't want this to become min-max "oh you missed the ability that one time /kick" shit.
    That depends how they design the parser, I can think of several ways to design a parser that doesn't cause min-max problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    That depends how they design the parser, I can think of several ways to design a parser that doesn't cause min-max problems.
    Not really. Any parser that does not feed the need or desire to exclude or control people would have to have a non-qualifiable output. No numbers, no colors, no words such as "good" "so-so" "poor", etc. Such a parser would not only be useless (it doesn't give you anything you can use), but unwanted by the very people who want them in the first place. In other words, it would be Stone Sky Sea. =p
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    I never said PS4 players are worse because we don't have a parser or that statics don't accept us, what I'm saying here is that we need a real time parser to get to a certain level above knowing your rotation or doing mechanics and PC players have that which is not fair to us and we have the right to ask SE to add it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailith-D View Post
    I never said PS4 players are worse because we don't have a parser or that statics don't accept us, what I'm saying here is that we need a real time parser to get to a certain level above knowing your rotation or doing mechanics and PC players have that which is not fair to us and we have the right to ask SE to add it.
    You don't have the right to ask SE to add it. They don't have one for PC players. That's a third party program. Go ask *that* company to make you a parser for PS4.
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    Technically, isn't using a parser a violation of the Terms of Service? I've heard the GMs pretty much ignore it, but if somebody were a real dick about parsed numbers, I wouldn't be surprised if they got kicked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by savageink View Post
    Technically, isn't using a parser a violation of the Terms of Service? I've heard the GMs pretty much ignore it, but if somebody were a real dick about parsed numbers, I wouldn't be surprised if they got kicked.
    yes. yes it is. and yes you can get banned for it
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    If you really want a parser bad enough to complain in the forums, play on PC. If you couldn't care less and play the game for fun, it doesn't matter if you use PC or PS4. As far as I am concerned, a parser built into the game would only turn this game into a who has the bigger penis fest.
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    You said we're at a disadvantage and I say we aren't. Especially when you consider that parsers are still technically against the TOS. Doesn't mean anything at this point since usage is so widespread and KNOWN, but my bigger point is that if 2 equally geared players - PC and PS4 - perform the same rotation with the same timing and technical expertise, the PC player isn't going to somehow magically do it better simply for using, or even having access to a parser.

    Now if there's perhaps some mechanical or game-based limiting factor that perhaps prevents a console player from doing exactly what the PC player does, despite an equally matched level of capability and effort, THEN that's an issue. But while I don't discourage wanting to find ways to perform better, I'm also not subscribing to the idea that I'm at a disadvantage purely for what I choose to play on. Not after how hard I know I work to perform well.
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