SE Please add jump and swiming

[Preypacer]

You didn't call me out on hypocrisy, because there was none. You made up your own version of what I said in that other thread and instead of debating what I actually said, you debated what your mind turned my post into.

Oh, hello again, hypocrite.

So, now I "made up my own version of what you said"?

I see you're still trying to spin and distort your story. No surprise there.

Excuse me... but did you, or did you not state that FFXIV should not have rare HNMs because of a list of issues you had personally with them in XI. Was or was not your response what it was even though I very clearly explained that you would not have to hunt/camp them because you'd have another option to obtain the same, or identical items via Instanced content?

You certainly weren't saying "Yeah, as long as they're optional and I can avoid doing them without missing out on anything, I guess that would be okay", or I wouldn't have responded as I did.

But, by all means.. please clarify exactly what your bottom-line opinion on them is. Let's see how consistent your argument now is with what you said before... Also, let's see how much of what I said you conveniently ignore, dismiss or twist around to do so.

If you can sufficiently explain your case, without contradicting what you've said previously, without cherry-picking, distorting or ignoring details of my suggestion, and without revising history in the process, then I'll concede your point. Short of that, you are and shall remain a hypocrite for the arguments you're making now that it involves something you would like... jumping to be specific.

[Shipp]

Oh, hello again, hypocrite.

So, now I "made up my own version of what you said"?

I see you're still trying to spin and distort your story. No surprise there.

Excuse me... but did you, or did you not state that FFXIV should not have rare HNMs because of a list of issues you had personally with them in XI?

You certainly weren't saying "Yeah, as long as they're optional and I can avoid doing them without missing out on anything, I guess that would be okay", or I wouldn't have responded as I did.

But, by all means.. please clarify exactly what your bottom-line opinion on them is. Let's see how consistent your argument now is with what you said before... Also, let's see how much of what I said you conveniently ignore, dismiss or twist around to do so.

Dude, quit derailing this thread. Everyone can go read that thread and see that you completely twisted what I said.

For the record for the 5th time or so now, no, I never stated XIV should not have rare HNMs because of a list of issues I had with them in XI. I said I don't want to see them implemented as they were in XI. I have kept clarifying this point for you numerous times now, and you're only looking like a pathetic derailer out to "prove someone wrong" instead of actually civilly debating.

[Riv]

I wouldn't mind a fight where say you are standing in waist high water fighting a dragon or something. Then he goes to breath fire and you have to dive underwater to avoid it. That would be cool. Or some other kind of stuff like that. Not swiming just for the hell of it.

[Zaireeka2025]

I wouldn't mind a fight where say you are standing in waist high water fighting a dragon or something. Then he goes to breath fire and you have to dive underwater to avoid it. That would be cool. Or some other kind of stuff like that. Not swiming just for the hell of it.

Do most people think we are asking for jumping and swimming for the hell of it? Of course we want it to be functionally related to the environment and battles. It is not simply to jump or swim circles around you we promise.

[Zaireeka2025]

Oh, hello again, hypocrite.

Seriously Prey... quit attacking Shipp and bringing in walls of text with no relevance to the topic.

[Zaireeka2025]

They do serve a purpose, they're EMOTES. They're designed to help the players express themselves, as if they would in real life.

And I know what you're going to say, you're going to argue that "jumping" can be expressive too, like emotes. Well in that case, it's still pretty damn useless. There's no place to use Jump as of now, and why hop like a bunny when you can just type /cheer to be expressive?

Emoting can be done via text so its not needed other than a physical pleasure. We also don't need mounts or airships since we can teleport.

My point is: We have things that are not essential to the core gameplay but are still vital to making the world feel alive and full of options. Jumping and swimming are but a few of those options that should be available to us.

[Preypacer]

Dude, quit derailing this thread. Everyone can go read that thread and see that you completely twisted what I said.

For the record for the 5th time or so now, no, I never stated XIV should not have rare HNMs because of a list of issues I had with them in XI. I said I don't want to see them implemented as they were in XI. I have kept clarifying this point for you numerous times now, and you're only looking like a pathetic derailer out to "prove someone wrong" instead of actually civilly debating.

Oh look! Derailing the thread while accusing me of doing the same! More hypocrisy from Shipp! Who'd-a-thunk it?

"Dude", I did read your response in the other thread... every single distorted and semantics-juggling paragraph of it.

I'll take just one example out of the smorgasbord of examples you provided in your -ahem- "explanation" to demonstrate how completely full of it you are.

I clearly suggested a system like the one used for NM drops, where one is a rare/ex drop from a world mob, and the other is a non rare/ex drop from an Instance/BCNM. That's the system I was suggesting.

It's quite clear I was speaking of the system itself, not the time-frame it existed in. When it was implemented is completely irrelevant. So why the hell would you respond with, "that's not how it was when I was doing HNMs" when the time frame had nothing to do with it? And even if I was, the time frame of the system I'm referring to clearly came later than when you were doing your HNMs... No matter how you look at it, your response makes absolutely no sense and is entirely irrelevant to what I suggested.

You don't even need a college education to realize that.

And that's just one example of many throughout your "explanation post". You're not "explaining" anything. You're revising, back-pedaling and re-defining what you said to try and cover your own ass after the fact. Sorry, don't work that way. Your statements were made, and taken, in the context they were intended at the time they were made. You don't get to change it all around now that you've been called out for conveniently changing your stance on "what should be implemented into the game" when it suits you.

Nice try,though.

Thanks for playing, hypocrite.

I will now stop derailing the thread, and I apologize to those who were aggravated by it. I just couldn't let such blatant hypocrisy go unanswered.

[CrystalObsidian]

Why type /cheer to be expressive when you can jump instead, since you apparently think the two are the same?

I specifically said jump is useless. It will always be useless if SE just throws it in the game because some anal players want to ability to hop around for no reason.

[Skirata]

Hi everyone!

Thank you all for posting your opinions about whether or not to add jumping and swimming to the game. We greatly appreciate the discussion and there were some good points made on both sides of it. And I am sure that the development team now have much to consider on these abilities being added or not. However this thread has become very much off topic and we will be closing it down now. Thanks again and have a great day!