SE Please add jump and swiming

[DantesAmore]

SE please dont add jump. Halo and WoW should never mix with Final Fantasy..

it will look like Aion or any of those shitty Korean MMO's with a bunch a tards jumping non stop as they run down the streets..

[Lavani]

I honestly don't want it though, I don't see the need for them, WoW had both, but there honestly was not need for them in it, they had some quests that you swam in, but they where the same as land quests, just.....swimming -.-

Actually, there's now an entire underwater zone in Cataclysm. You not only swim, but get a seahorse mount.

They also have fights where jumping is essential. For example the last boss in Vortex Pinnacle has an ability that roots players to the ground if they don't jump when he casts it. Shortly after casting that spell he will aoe the entire room killing anyone hit, unless they are able to shelter themselves from his aoe in an anti magic zone he creates. Other end game content that has utilized jumping is Thadius in Naxx, jump from a platform onto the area where the boss activates. Also the Nefarian fight in Black Wing Descent from the Cataclysm expansion uses swimming or jumping when entering phase 2 of that fight by lowering the platform into a pool of lava forcing players to swim and jump onto one of three pillars.

Although these things may seem trivial, they do add another element to the game. Having these abilities wont harm the game in any way, it only gives the developers more options for more interesting encounters.

[Renshi]

Cut the Dev team some slack and let them do 2.0 as they plan =)

Yoshi-P seems to wanting Swimming as well as we do, so just give them some time. Jumping is already taken in consideration.

[Anapingofness]

IF IF IF IF IF IF they make the zones around being able to do so in 2.0. If that's the case, cool. If not, don't bother putting it in because it will simply be a useless animation.

I'm not disagreeing. In fact, I'd love a practical application to jump/swimming.

Also, I'm not saying that FFXIV *needs* jump.

However, what I am saying is that it would help make the world more believable/real. In my eyes, that creates better immersion.

That being said, by your argument the animations we have for /wave, /point, /laugh, etc are all useless. They do not have a practical application in game at all. In which case, it's perfectly alright to have impractical animations because they create a more interesting experience. ^^;

Well, it would in my opinion anyways.

[Chinchilla]

I think jumping would be kind of silly, but I'm okay with it as long as Lalafell have truly outrageous, absurdly acrobatic jumping animations such that they can jump at -least- as high as a Roegadyn can. I want to see backflips, midair twirls, in-air poses.

LMAO ^ this

[Fensfield]

As far as this debate is going right now, the majority is us and the minority is you so yes... majority wins!

Yeah, because a lot of us popped in, dropped our opinions for any developer or moderator might want to read them, then left so as not to get embroiled in depressing, vitriolic debates like this one.

If you have to invoke majorities, then at least go with the ones actually permeate the boards, not just a transient one exists because Jynx is the only one can stomach getting called a troll over and over rather than leave it to look like one side somehow 'won' by driving everyone with a different opinion to silence.

Frankly I think it better to drop the stupid majority thing altogether; that's for the developers to decide. 'Only thing we need to be doing is expressing our personal opinions, so far as I can see. Hopefully they'll make their decisions based on the number of people expressing one opinion or the other (or just whatever they feel's appropriate), and not the number of people willing to bicker endlessly as to whether one opinion is better than the other.

Besides, 'majority says this so shut up' is.. pretty low. It's in a similar place to 'poll voted for big changes so you don't get to say you dislike things'.

Swimming I'm all for. The only way that could be screwed up is if the animations are stupidly bad or they enable swimming while not in water somehow, and I don't think the developers are that incompetent.

Jump, though? If it's just a glorified emote, then I'd really rather not have it at all, and personally, I'd prefer Final Fantasy XIII's way of doing it as an ideal. Still, just a free jump button would be alright I suppose, if it's made relevant to the game (replacing running along cliff-faces, environments tailored to it..). I'd just have to pray I can stomach the occasional bouncing prat or it's in some way still limited.

'Doubt I'll use it too much however, if only because in order to match the other races' jumping ability my Lalafell will probably look tremendously daft when he jumps. 'Course if they somehow manage to make it look alright ..

Honestly though, jump's pretty much the absolute least important feature I can imagine at present. There are hundreds of things I'd sooner see prioritised, myself.

There, I reiterated my point. Now 'as far as this debate is going right now', the balance of who's arguing what is slightly different - and that's still totally irrelevant! Hurray!

[Gennosuke]

I'm all for the 'Theme Park' vision Yoshi has which this thread fits into.
The more variety of gameplay, the better. This is where i see FFXIV being able to surpass XI and where i encourage being out of XI mindset, i.e expand on XI and implement new ideas and gameplay styles in, never thought of before. Make Combat also more dynamic and fun to play, not ur standard hit button and watch. With the new servers coming through, i think there is a huge potential to introduce wild concepts to the game to make it a real fun and thrilling experience.

[Preypacer]

Please do, since I know exactly which post of mine you're referring to and if you'd actually think about it, you'd realize there's nothing ironic about it at all.

Oh I have thought about it and perhaps irony isn't a good enough word for it.

Hypocrisy is much more poignant.

Spin, deflect, dodge, redefine and argue that "it's different here" 'til you're blue in the face. It is what it is. You're a hypocrite.

In the other thread, I set up a possible scenario where a given piece of rare gear, or at least two pieces of gear with the same stats but different looks - could be obtained in two possible ways. One way would be to do a difficult instanced battle, such as a hyper Ifrit type fight. The other way could be for rare world NM/HNM spawns to have a chance of dropping it. This way, those who enjoy doing instanced battles could have a shot at it, and people who enjoy hunting rare HNMs/NMs could have a shot at it. Neither piece would be superior or inferior to the other.

Such a setup would provide options to players. Not everyone enjoys doing instances. There are people who enjoy hunting and camping rare NMs (your "disbelief" of such a thing notwithstanding).

You, oh mighty Shipp on High, declared that no, those who might enjoy such an option should not be offered it, for no other reason than you don't like them. Your entire argument in that case is self-centered. It's all about you.

Oh you gave all sorts of reasons why you don't like them. But then, people in this thread have given all kinds of reasons - some quite valid and precedented - for feeling jumping isn't necessary or desirable in FFXIV. You've had an answer for them every time, haven't you? In fact, I could just copy and paste some of your myriad responses to people in this thread, and it would apply just as well to the HNM topic.

For example, here's another one of your own statements turned against you:

"Adding jump takes nothing away from you, whatsoever. It does add to the enjoyment of a lot of other people though."

As applied to the other thread:
"Adding rare HNMs/NMs as an option to obtain certain gear takes nothing away from you, whatsoever. It does add to the enjoyment of a lot of other people though."

As long as you have the option to not hunt/camp the rare HNMs/NMs and have an alternative means of obtaining the item in question via an Instanced fight, then what does it matter to you that the option is there? It's not being forced on you. It's an option. So why are you so against it? Oh right... because Shipp doesn't like the idea of camping HNMs and can't fathom the idea that others actually would. I mean that is what you said in the other thread, with that appeal to incredulity you used as an actual argument.

But of course, it's different in this case, isn't it, Shipp? Because you don't like the idea of HNMs/NMs, then it doesn't matter what others would enjoy, right? Because, it's all about you, isn't it.

Shipp, there's no other way to describe it: You are a hypocrite.

[irongripz]

Yeah, because a lot of us popped in, dropped our opinions for any developer or moderator might want to read them, then left so as not to get embroiled in depressing, vitriolic debates like this one.

If you have to invoke majorities, then at least go with the ones actually permeate the boards, not just a transient one exists because Jynx is the only one can stomach getting called a troll over and over rather than leave it to look like one side somehow 'won' by driving everyone with a different opinion to silence.

Frankly I think it better to drop the stupid majority thing altogether; that's for the developers to decide. 'Only thing we need to be doing is expressing our personal opinions, so far as I can see. Hopefully they'll make their decisions based on the number of people expressing one opinion or the other (or just whatever they feel's appropriate), and not the number of people willing to bicker endlessly as to whether one opinion is better than the other.

Besides, 'majority says this so shut up' is.. pretty low. It's in a similar place to 'poll voted for big changes so you don't get to say you dislike things'.


There, I reiterated my point. Now 'as far as this debate is going right now', the balance of who's arguing what is slightly different - and that's still totally irrelevant! Hurray!

you sir are a hypocrite. you say you think everyone should leave one opinion then you come and bash every one that don't share yours. try not to let your favoritism show, your biased and asinine opinion is your own and no one is telling you you cant have one. but when you repeatedly keep saying same thing and arguing your side of it, you cant tell someone else not to. if you was fine leaving your opinion and not wanting to be in the debate fine. but you come back, just to be a hypocrite of your own method of thinking good job sir i wont call you a troll yet.. but you wont silence us either. the majority does make a difference and as for letting the developers decide? well they asked for our opinions, and unfortunately you guys lose this debate because any one not wanting jump, has no reason what so every beside pure selfish, opinions that it will hurt their imagination because it is already to small to think outside of the box.

[irongripz]

Oh I have thought about it and perhaps irony isn't a good enough word for it.

Hypocrisy is much more poignant.

Spin, deflect, dodge, redefine and argue that "it's different here" 'til you're blue in the face. It is what it is. You're a hypocrite.

In the other thread, I set up a possible scenario where a given piece of rare gear, or at least two pieces of gear with the same stats but different looks - could be obtained in two possible ways. One way would be to do a difficult instanced battle, such as a hyper Ifrit type fight. The other way could be for rare world NM/HNM spawns to have a chance of dropping it. This way, those who enjoy doing instanced battles could have a shot at it, and people who enjoy hunting rare HNMs/NMs could have a shot at it. Neither piece would be superior or inferior to the other.

Such a setup would provide options to players. Not everyone enjoys doing instances. There are people who enjoy hunting and camping rare NMs (your "disbelief" of such a thing notwithstanding).

You, oh mighty Shipp on High, declared that no, those who might enjoy such an option should not be offered it, for no other reason than you don't like them. Your entire argument in that case is self-centered. It's all about you.

Oh you gave all sorts of reasons why you don't like them. But then, people in this thread have given all kinds of reasons - some quite valid and precedented - for feeling jumping isn't necessary or desirable in FFXIV. You've had an answer for them every time, haven't you? In fact, I could just copy and paste some of your myriad responses to people in this thread, and it would apply just as well to the HNM topic.

For example, here's another one of your own statements turned against you:

"Adding jump takes nothing away from you, whatsoever. It does add to the enjoyment of a lot of other people though."

As applied to the other thread:
"Adding rare HNMs/NMs as an option to obtain certain gear takes nothing away from you, whatsoever. It does add to the enjoyment of a lot of other people though."

As long as you have the option to not hunt/camp the rare HNMs/NMs and have an alternative means of obtaining the item in question via an Instanced fight, then what does it matter to you that the option is there? It's not being forced on you. It's an option. So why are you so against it? Oh right... because Shipp doesn't like the idea of camping HNMs and can't fathom the idea that others actually would. I mean that is what you said in the other thread, with that appeal to incredulity you used as an actual argument.

But of course, it's different in this case, isn't it, Shipp? Because you don't like the idea of HNMs/NMs, then it doesn't matter what others would enjoy, right? Because, it's all about you, isn't it.

Shipp, there's no other way to describe it: You are a hypocrite.

seriously does this need to be in this thread? derail the debate more it helps you guys win it.