SE Please add jump and swiming

[irongripz]

Oh I have thought about it and perhaps irony isn't a good enough word for it.

Hypocrisy is much more poignant.

Spin, deflect, dodge, redefine and argue that "it's different here" 'til you're blue in the face. It is what it is. You're a hypocrite.

In the other thread, I set up a possible scenario where a given piece of rare gear, or at least two pieces of gear with the same stats but different looks - could be obtained in two possible ways. One way would be to do a difficult instanced battle, such as a hyper Ifrit type fight. The other way could be for rare world NM/HNM spawns to have a chance of dropping it. This way, those who enjoy doing instanced battles could have a shot at it, and people who enjoy hunting rare HNMs/NMs could have a shot at it. Neither piece would be superior or inferior to the other.

Such a setup would provide options to players. Not everyone enjoys doing instances. There are people who enjoy hunting and camping rare NMs (your "disbelief" of such a thing notwithstanding).

You, oh mighty Shipp on High, declared that no, those who might enjoy such an option should not be offered it, for no other reason than you don't like them. Your entire argument in that case is self-centered. It's all about you.

Oh you gave all sorts of reasons why you don't like them. But then, people in this thread have given all kinds of reasons - some quite valid and precedented - for feeling jumping isn't necessary or desirable in FFXIV. You've had an answer for them every time, haven't you? In fact, I could just copy and paste some of your myriad responses to people in this thread, and it would apply just as well to the HNM topic.

For example, here's another one of your own statements turned against you:

"Adding jump takes nothing away from you, whatsoever. It does add to the enjoyment of a lot of other people though."

As applied to the other thread:
"Adding rare HNMs/NMs as an option to obtain certain gear takes nothing away from you, whatsoever. It does add to the enjoyment of a lot of other people though."

As long as you have the option to not hunt/camp the rare HNMs/NMs and have an alternative means of obtaining the item in question via an Instanced fight, then what does it matter to you that the option is there? It's not being forced on you. It's an option. So why are you so against it? Oh right... because Shipp doesn't like the idea of camping HNMs and can't fathom the idea that others actually would. I mean that is what you said in the other thread, with that appeal to incredulity you used as an actual argument.

But of course, it's different in this case, isn't it, Shipp? Because you don't like the idea of HNMs/NMs, then it doesn't matter what others would enjoy, right? Because, it's all about you, isn't it.

Shipp, there's no other way to describe it: You are a hypocrite.

seriously does this need to be in this thread? derail the debate more it helps you guys win it.

[Preypacer]

seriously does this need to be in this thread? derail the debate more it helps you guys win it.

Not a matter of derailing anything. I've said my piece about jumping already.

My last post is a matter of calling out someone on these forums for their hypocrisy.

That said... You know, there's this amazing power that people have when it comes to things like reading a post or not reading a post. It's called choice. Check it out, it works like this. If you find that a post - or even an entire thread! - doesn't suit your interests or doesn't seem relevant to the topic at hand, you have the choice to not read it.

That you choose to read a post that you find of no interest to you, given the choice not to, is your problem, not mine. No one's forcing you to read it.

[Shipp]

Not a matter of derailing anything. I've said my piece about jumping already.

My last post is a matter of calling out someone on these forums for their hypocrisy.

That said... You know, there's this amazing power that people have when it comes to things like reading a post or not reading a post. It's called choice. Check it out, it works like this. If you find that a post - or even an entire thread! - doesn't suit your interests or doesn't seem relevant to the topic at hand, you have the choice to not read it.

That you choose to read a post that you find of no interest to you, given the choice not to, is your problem, not mine. No one's forcing you to read it.

You didn't call me out on hypocrisy, because there was none. You made up your own version of what I said in that other thread and instead of debating what I actually said, you debated what your mind turned my post into.

[Preypacer]

You didn't call me out on hypocrisy, because there was none. You made up your own version of what I said in that other thread and instead of debating what I actually said, you debated what your mind turned my post into.

Oh, hello again, hypocrite.

So, now I "made up my own version of what you said"?

I see you're still trying to spin and distort your story. No surprise there.

Excuse me... but did you, or did you not state that FFXIV should not have rare HNMs because of a list of issues you had personally with them in XI. Was or was not your response what it was even though I very clearly explained that you would not have to hunt/camp them because you'd have another option to obtain the same, or identical items via Instanced content?

You certainly weren't saying "Yeah, as long as they're optional and I can avoid doing them without missing out on anything, I guess that would be okay", or I wouldn't have responded as I did.

But, by all means.. please clarify exactly what your bottom-line opinion on them is. Let's see how consistent your argument now is with what you said before... Also, let's see how much of what I said you conveniently ignore, dismiss or twist around to do so.

If you can sufficiently explain your case, without contradicting what you've said previously, without cherry-picking, distorting or ignoring details of my suggestion, and without revising history in the process, then I'll concede your point. Short of that, you are and shall remain a hypocrite for the arguments you're making now that it involves something you would like... jumping to be specific.

[Shipp]

Oh, hello again, hypocrite.

So, now I "made up my own version of what you said"?

I see you're still trying to spin and distort your story. No surprise there.

Excuse me... but did you, or did you not state that FFXIV should not have rare HNMs because of a list of issues you had personally with them in XI?

You certainly weren't saying "Yeah, as long as they're optional and I can avoid doing them without missing out on anything, I guess that would be okay", or I wouldn't have responded as I did.

But, by all means.. please clarify exactly what your bottom-line opinion on them is. Let's see how consistent your argument now is with what you said before... Also, let's see how much of what I said you conveniently ignore, dismiss or twist around to do so.

Dude, quit derailing this thread. Everyone can go read that thread and see that you completely twisted what I said.

For the record for the 5th time or so now, no, I never stated XIV should not have rare HNMs because of a list of issues I had with them in XI. I said I don't want to see them implemented as they were in XI. I have kept clarifying this point for you numerous times now, and you're only looking like a pathetic derailer out to "prove someone wrong" instead of actually civilly debating.

[Preypacer]

Dude, quit derailing this thread. Everyone can go read that thread and see that you completely twisted what I said.

For the record for the 5th time or so now, no, I never stated XIV should not have rare HNMs because of a list of issues I had with them in XI. I said I don't want to see them implemented as they were in XI. I have kept clarifying this point for you numerous times now, and you're only looking like a pathetic derailer out to "prove someone wrong" instead of actually civilly debating.

Oh look! Derailing the thread while accusing me of doing the same! More hypocrisy from Shipp! Who'd-a-thunk it?

"Dude", I did read your response in the other thread... every single distorted and semantics-juggling paragraph of it.

I'll take just one example out of the smorgasbord of examples you provided in your -ahem- "explanation" to demonstrate how completely full of it you are.

I clearly suggested a system like the one used for NM drops, where one is a rare/ex drop from a world mob, and the other is a non rare/ex drop from an Instance/BCNM. That's the system I was suggesting.

It's quite clear I was speaking of the system itself, not the time-frame it existed in. When it was implemented is completely irrelevant. So why the hell would you respond with, "that's not how it was when I was doing HNMs" when the time frame had nothing to do with it? And even if I was, the time frame of the system I'm referring to clearly came later than when you were doing your HNMs... No matter how you look at it, your response makes absolutely no sense and is entirely irrelevant to what I suggested.

You don't even need a college education to realize that.

And that's just one example of many throughout your "explanation post". You're not "explaining" anything. You're revising, back-pedaling and re-defining what you said to try and cover your own ass after the fact. Sorry, don't work that way. Your statements were made, and taken, in the context they were intended at the time they were made. You don't get to change it all around now that you've been called out for conveniently changing your stance on "what should be implemented into the game" when it suits you.

Nice try,though.

Thanks for playing, hypocrite.

I will now stop derailing the thread, and I apologize to those who were aggravated by it. I just couldn't let such blatant hypocrisy go unanswered.

[Zaireeka2025]

Oh, hello again, hypocrite.

Seriously Prey... quit attacking Shipp and bringing in walls of text with no relevance to the topic.