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[ToasterMan]

Skipping mechanics is a thing in this game and it has been for a while. Zurvan just made people open their eyes about it.
Those with BiS gear skipped it easly. This is their reward for having best gear currently in game.

No. The developers didn't intend the player base to skip past it. It was not intended to be a reward at all. It was just an oversight on their part. Just like how the developers didn't intend cleric stand to be used in raids.

Hopefully the Developers learned from that mistake and don't do it again.

[Ama_Hamada]

No. The developers didn't intend the player base to skip past it. It was not intended to be a reward at all. It was just an oversight on their part. Just like how the developers didn't intend cleric stand to be used in raids.

Hopefully the Developers learned from that mistake and doesn't do it again.

Uh no.....
where you get this idea from? O_o there is lot of "skip" things in level 50 cap (maybe even normal dungeons? no idea, can't think of any) They come out with with "new" dungeons where people over gear them already (this is fine, lets newer people catch up) so i am sure they know about the potential of over gearing the runs???

also waiting a reply on:

You are ether:
1. Extremely lucky
2. Queue with 2/3 friends
3. Doing 1 DF a day and think it is a good sample size.
4. You do not know how to see it(meaning you NEVER found top end play so there for do not know what true speed is. If we are quoting expert, Proper DPS can kill the sloppy guy right around the second round of spears. If both DPS, tank and healer are outputing, you will not even see the second round fall.)

Id say 3 out of 4 DFs has someone slacking, as in improperly geared (as in wearing crafter gear, gear that does not match the job, or ilevel dodging an important slot like having all 130 level on the left side, yes i seen a 12000 hp blm before in expert.), do not know rotations, so on. 2 out of these 4 is 2 or 3 being the problem. I had a tank left yesterday who was small pulling flat out say "I rather play league and I feel like being lazy to small pull" and left on his own, even though where we at 70% progress.

A while ago I had 2 slow dps, one on my sever, or our server rather, and I message him that it be a good idea to find a good rotation guide ( I believe I made this comment because this group saw 3 spears fall) while being near top geared. I can't remember if they had alex gear or simply all 270 slots but the point is he was geared enough for proper rotation to not have that 3rd round appear. He told me it was fine, it is just a game, does not care, and I am the first person that ever said anything. This tells me people in general lack observation skills.

Telling someone they have room for improvement or that their lack of effort is noticeable is not harassment. I do not understand for the life of me why it is bad to point out bad DPS rotations but people have a right to harass healers when someone dies. In a different DF I was trying to tell this BLM to AoE rotate because things are staying up too long burning my MP. People got on my case for the wipe saying I was not healing, and that the blm was fun (the blm was not fine) and was kicked for it.

Me and my friend routinely find leveling DFs where we are the top DPS on SCH (in different runs ofc), one worth noting my friend found a Sohm AI run where her SCH did top, then the DRK in mostly grit, then the 2 dps. The only "big exaggeration" here is your own statement.

On the forums "Nobody PROMOTES bad or mediocre play." is true, but in DF, most of the time, people you expect you to deal with the bad play, thus promoting it, because it is only xxxxx, it is easy. I left an aery when vote kick failed because of a group had this mentality, I will not tolerate it.

[akaneakki]

Skipping mechanics is a thing in this game and it has been for a while. Zurvan just made people open their eyes about it..

I'm well aware of that, however soar is such a huge mechanic to skip, compare to other skips we seen before. Usually skips screws up a fight or make it way more awkward than it should be, but soar skipping, makes it float a lot more and less chance of wipes.
The only reason why soar is highly spoken among people or farmers, is because it makes a lot less mistakes, since usually soar screws up more than 2 people if some one actually screws it up.

[ToasterMan]

:Telling someone they have room for improvement or that their lack of effort is noticeable is not harassment. I do not understand for the life of me why it is bad to point out bad DPS rotations but people have a right to harass healers when someone dies.

Nobody here is saying that. That's been said multiple times in this thread.

From healer to healer I'll tell you, nobody should be harassing anyone, no matter what role they are.

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You are ether:
1. Extremely lucky
2. Queue with 2/3 friends
3. Doing 1 DF a day and think it is a good sample size.
4. You do not know how to see it(meaning you NEVER found top end play so there for do not know what true speed is. If we are quoting expert, Proper DPS can kill the sloppy guy right around the second round of spears. If both DPS, tank and healer are outputing, you will not even see the second round fall.)

I used duty finder exclusively for getting my relic. Tons of ARF runs along with roulettes. Each run took around 19-20 minutes on average. I had a few hiccups but it really wasn't anything major. I am a very DPS heavy healer when I'm in DF so maybe it's me, but I doubt it.

:On the forums "Nobody PROMOTES bad or mediocre play." is true, but in DF, most of the time, people you expect you to deal with the bad play, thus promoting it, because it is only xxxxx, it is easy.

Alright let me propose a scenario to you for a moment. Lets say that the vote kick did go through. DPS is kicked out and another one comes in. This guy isn't playing to the standard either, so he gets kicked. Another few minutes pass, and another comes in. What's this? Hes not good enough either. He gets kicked and another minute passes until yet another DPS comes in. Then it happens about ten more times until you finally get someone that meets your standard. What's that? There's no way that could happen? How? You said that the majority of the player base is terrible right? How much time have you wasted fishing for this guy? You could've finished the dungeon way earlier if you just stayed with the other guy. Don't you think that's kind of selfish to make the other players wait for someone that meets YOUR standards?

It's like driving a car after awhile. When I first started driving, I thought going 20 miles an hour was fast. To me that's a snails pace now. I can't bear to go under 40 when I drive. It's a lot similar when I did some speed runs with some really good raiders way back. Those dungeons just flew by. Going back to regular DF with average players seemed really slow. See, top level play is.......well top level. If it was everywhere then it wouldn't be top level play now would it?

: I left an aery when vote kick failed because of a group had this mentality, I will not tolerate it.

There's more to this then you're letting on.

[bardaboo]

I'm well aware of that, however soar is such a huge mechanic to skip, compare to other skips we seen before. Usually skips screws up a fight or make it way more awkward than it should be, but soar skipping, makes it float a lot more and less chance of wipes.
The only reason why soar is highly spoken among people or farmers, is because it makes a lot less mistakes, since usually soar screws up more than 2 people if some one actually screws it up.

You can skip lapis phase in a11s with high dps. Unintended? cmon. Anytime they put in a mechanic that starts at a certain time or % in the fight they are taking a chance that it can be skipped... if it wasn't supposed to be skipped it wouldn't be possible to skip.

oops this was supposed to be directed at Toasterman

[Ama_Hamada]

Nobody here is saying that. That's been said multiple times in this thread.

No one said "It was just an oversight on their part" OOOOOOO_________________ooooooooooooo

Um yeah.. most people do use the DF for their relic, all that proves that it goes to my 3 and 4 and maybe 1. That is not enough sample size to try to state people over exaggerate things. I am not sure how long DFs are supposed to take when people know what they are doing vs not, and besides sometimespeople have to afk. I just know from fight to fight, how many phases should things go though depending what you are dealt with. It really does not matter if you are a DPS heavy healer, so am I, but that is not going to push a 3 phase final boss in expert ( 3 spear/ 3 add pops) into a 2 phase when one or both DPS are bad. I have a friend that is a good DPS on blm and killed sloopy before seeing the second round of spears with a mnk, where she saw a 3rd round of lava adds because in that one, healer dps and brd dps was VERY poor. When you are talking about that kind of skipping, everyone needs to know what they are doing.

You are putting words in my mouth. I do not kick people following elitist standards , what you described would fit as such. What I am talking about with that quote and the final quote of mine has to do with ilevel bypassing. This means people coming in with crafter gear or a high right side to carry a low left. having a 12k hp blm in the current expert is not fun. I will not enable this kind of gear bypassing anymore and let people know it is wrong to do.

Oh... that trusty doctore's fork!

just no.

Yeah I have some kind of standards where people should not be lazy with rotations and or gear. When I talk about kicking it refers to something currently unfixable like this, you can't re-gear while in a DF, or if someone is not listening or putting in effort to better themselves. If I out dps you spamming ruin as a healer, there are issues. Speaking of:
https://youtu.be/P-EpQ_V5p1g?t=377

[ToasterMan]

If it wasn't supposed to be skipped it wouldn't be possible to skip.

By that logic, anything that's possible to do in a video game was intended by the Devs. There's a lot of wacky things that are possible in a Super Mario 64 speed run. I don't think Nintendo intended for the player to do any of that stuff.

Anytime they put in a mechanic that starts at a certain time or % in the fight they are taking a chance that it can be skipped

I personally think that's the easiest way for them to progress through mechanics. If they didn't then I think the boss would be jumping or turning invincible every time a mechanic would happen. Would you really want that?

[Ama_Hamada]

By that logic, anything that's possible to do in a video game was intended by the Devs. There's a lot of wacky things that are possible in a Super Mario 64 speed run. I don't think Nintendo intended for the player to do any of that stuff.



I personally think that's the easiest way for them to progress through mechanics. If they didn't then the boss would be jumping or turning invincible every time a mechanic would happen. Would you really want that?

You are auguring with fallacy, the two situations are not related at all. Ofc there is oversights but I heavily doubt phase skipping is once since they been allowing this 3 years? or so with every new content. Also sometimes it has averse effects too, go over dps levi, levi extreme, ifirt extreme, ramuah extreme, and so on and see what happens.

Also there is a post above yers that needs commenting. Please do not insult me with stuff like "There's more to this then you're letting on. "

[ToasterMan]

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Let me ask you something really quick before I continue. Was that guy you showed in that screen shot the same guy you were talking about here?

I left an aery when vote kick failed because of a group had this mentality, I will not tolerate it.

[Kaethra]

Parsers have their place, but should not be built into the game.

This I don't disagree with. Unfortunately many assume that I want them and go off that angle. I don't want them, I have access to them already if I feel I need to. But spreading misinformation doesn't help anyone's platform. That's the point I've been making.

Parsers are as harmless or hurtful as simple chat. And players need a thick skin towards both.