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[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Why are these PF's problems, exactly? Why is it so wrong for people to want good, efficient parties? Especially for farms.

There's nothing wrong with setting criteria for your party.

But let's be real here:

"Skip Soar or disband". . . because I'd rather just deal really high damage so I can skip the mechanic that comes up later in the fight anyways and not have to learn it. There's also the fact that say you don't skip it. Your group's not bad, perhaps just lacking a bit in gear, and everyone was giving 100%. . . well, parser says X player was doing the least damage. So blame them. 9 times out of 10, that's exactly how that'd go.

"Must have purple parses on FFLogs". . . For what? Proof they can do a lot of damage? Because purple parses totally means they can actually perform the mechanics properly and not wipe the party. Purple parses totally means they've actually cleared it if they join a farm (and inversely, non purple means they haven't), is that right? Purple parses means they're 100% perfect and won't possibly screw up even once, yes? I cleared A12S without a purple parse, performed the mechanics to near perfection, and am competent enough to do it again and again. But if purple parses are the standard of capability, then I suppose I wasn't DPSing my ass off, performing mechanics properly, and didn't really clear it, did I?

This is what I mean. Parsers themselves wouldn't be the problem. Player perception and human nature would be. People would overlook and exclude perfectly capable players left and right, looking for "Purples" or what have you, and that'd just be the start of a bad precedent. But that's the extremes some of the players within the community would go to, in the name of assurance of capabilities.

Edit: Let me use a PvP specific example - I end up in an 8v8 Feast match, on team with someone I don't have a great history with. He makes a snide comment about "not getting myself killed right away" (he's healing me btw). Out the gate, I'm immediately focused and targeted by 2 other enemy ranged (of which I'm not entirely convinced wasn't premeditated, but I tend to become high profile anyways.) They take me out about 4 times before shifting focus. He's pretty smug at this point. . . then I proceed to just tear through the other team, scoring 10 kills - the most on our team - and we win. His next attempt to discredit me was "Someone who doesn't even main BRD did as much damage as you, if not more". . . Okay, but they weren't focused, nor did they even get one kill. We frown on parser usage in PvP heavily but 10 kills vs 0, with similar damage; who really put in the work there?

[Belhi]

Yoshi P has said they will consider parsers if their efforts to make the gap in performance between the average and cutting edge players narrower is successful. So maybe. Currently the fact that the difference in numbers between the very highest performing and the average performing player is so high risks fracturing the player base and leading to infighting and toxic behaviour.

[bardaboo]

How many of you against parser support on ps4 actually do high end raids?
Do any of your party members have parsers?
Do any of you ask a friend to parse you if you are working on a new opening rotation?
Have you ever tried tweaking your stats to see how much of a diffence it makes?
Have you ever tried a different aoe rotation in a dungeon?
you honestly going to say SSS is the equivalent of a parser in any of these situations?
The only way to know how much dps you are actually doing on it is by using the online dummy numbers figured out by those who use parsers.

now the real question is.... how many of you against parsers don't actually care about how much damage you are doing as long as your party can carry you?
do you try to improve? Or just think better gear = better dps.

[Ama_Hamada]

Nobody here is saying that. That's been said multiple times in this thread.

No one said "It was just an oversight on their part" OOOOOOO_________________ooooooooooooo

Um yeah.. most people do use the DF for their relic, all that proves that it goes to my 3 and 4 and maybe 1. That is not enough sample size to try to state people over exaggerate things. I am not sure how long DFs are supposed to take when people know what they are doing vs not, and besides sometimespeople have to afk. I just know from fight to fight, how many phases should things go though depending what you are dealt with. It really does not matter if you are a DPS heavy healer, so am I, but that is not going to push a 3 phase final boss in expert ( 3 spear/ 3 add pops) into a 2 phase when one or both DPS are bad. I have a friend that is a good DPS on blm and killed sloopy before seeing the second round of spears with a mnk, where she saw a 3rd round of lava adds because in that one, healer dps and brd dps was VERY poor. When you are talking about that kind of skipping, everyone needs to know what they are doing.

You are putting words in my mouth. I do not kick people following elitist standards , what you described would fit as such. What I am talking about with that quote and the final quote of mine has to do with ilevel bypassing. This means people coming in with crafter gear or a high right side to carry a low left. having a 12k hp blm in the current expert is not fun. I will not enable this kind of gear bypassing anymore and let people know it is wrong to do.

Oh... that trusty doctore's fork!

just no.

Yeah I have some kind of standards where people should not be lazy with rotations and or gear. When I talk about kicking it refers to something currently unfixable like this, you can't re-gear while in a DF, or if someone is not listening or putting in effort to better themselves. If I out dps you spamming ruin as a healer, there are issues. Speaking of:
https://youtu.be/P-EpQ_V5p1g?t=377

[Kaethra]

Parsers have their place, but should not be built into the game.

This I don't disagree with. Unfortunately many assume that I want them and go off that angle. I don't want them, I have access to them already if I feel I need to. But spreading misinformation doesn't help anyone's platform. That's the point I've been making.

Parsers are as harmless or hurtful as simple chat. And players need a thick skin towards both.

[Ama_Hamada]

I have no idea how you manage to not understand my points, or are you intentionally ignoring what I have to say?

I need to ask others, because I am confused. Is it clear to you, I was complaining about other instances of ilevel requirement dodging, like the one I shown? Why is it being ignored that several people are refuting phase skipping is a developer oversight? Why is it being ignored the reverse issue also exists, that you wipe due to too much DPS in some cases? Can we have a proper discussion with proof not spouting off opinions as facts?

You do realize, phase skipping exists in most boss fights?????????????????????? over the course of 2 or 3 years or whatever?

[Yeol]

Lets put things this way. If people do content with minimum item level then there are no mechanics skipping.
As you get better gear, phases last shorter and the fight clear time gets shorter.
By the time you have BiS and good dps, you can skip mechanics or skip a whole phase (like niddhog towers, lol imagine if it was 'mandatory' to skip them back then).

Believe me, finding people that can skip is harder than you think. It is not a common thing, it is a group work that includes healers and tanks as well. Which is why many people are complaining now about zurvan.

I still don't believe it is a mistake. It is your reward for being good. And people are finding it fun to speed run hard content to see how many phases/mechanics they can skip.

As long as the content can be cleared without skipping there is no problem. The problem here is that people think skipping mechanics is the norm thing to do.

Skipping content has nothing to do with the subject. And is just an attempt to deflect the discussion.

I already gave my opinion about it in previous post.

[Kaethra]

Skipping content has nothing to do with the subject. And is just an attempt to deflect the discussion.

[Ashua]

Skipping content has nothing to do with the subject. And is just an attempt to deflect the discussion.

If you want to go back to the subject devs say no to parsers. Dev gets irritated and tries to leave a interview panel when it was mentioned recently. What matters is the maker does not want a parser.

It's not impossible to improve without a parser. But it is significantly more difficult, because of the data you can gather and immediately put to use.

It is not difficult at all. We have training dummies to improve upon and is significantly easier when you can master/learn your rotation before having to tackle content. Plus jobs do not change often between x.0 mega patches so you can have quite an easy time improving yourself which you should before stepping into the high end. Near mastery of your main job is already a requisite to high end raid teams.

[dragonseth07]

It is not difficult at all. We have training dummies to improve upon and is significantly easier when you can master/learn your rotation before having to tackle content. Plus jobs do not change often between x.0 mega patches so you can have quite an easy time improving yourself which you should before stepping into the high end. Near mastery of your main job is already a requisite to high end raid teams.

I'm telling you that a parser makes it easier, by far. Since I have played with and without them in many MMO's, I feel I can say that with certainty.

I don't doubt your ability at all. I don't. I'm simply telling you that a parser makes self-improvement much faster and easier if you know how to use the tool. Now, if you don't, that's another story. Using a screwdriver as a hammer won't get you anywhere.