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[Ama_Hamada]

No. The developers didn't intend the player base to skip past it. It was not intended to be a reward at all. It was just an oversight on their part. Just like how the developers didn't intend cleric stand to be used in raids.

Hopefully the Developers learned from that mistake and doesn't do it again.

Uh no.....
where you get this idea from? O_o there is lot of "skip" things in level 50 cap (maybe even normal dungeons? no idea, can't think of any) They come out with with "new" dungeons where people over gear them already (this is fine, lets newer people catch up) so i am sure they know about the potential of over gearing the runs???

also waiting a reply on:

You are ether:
1. Extremely lucky
2. Queue with 2/3 friends
3. Doing 1 DF a day and think it is a good sample size.
4. You do not know how to see it(meaning you NEVER found top end play so there for do not know what true speed is. If we are quoting expert, Proper DPS can kill the sloppy guy right around the second round of spears. If both DPS, tank and healer are outputing, you will not even see the second round fall.)

Id say 3 out of 4 DFs has someone slacking, as in improperly geared (as in wearing crafter gear, gear that does not match the job, or ilevel dodging an important slot like having all 130 level on the left side, yes i seen a 12000 hp blm before in expert.), do not know rotations, so on. 2 out of these 4 is 2 or 3 being the problem. I had a tank left yesterday who was small pulling flat out say "I rather play league and I feel like being lazy to small pull" and left on his own, even though where we at 70% progress.

A while ago I had 2 slow dps, one on my sever, or our server rather, and I message him that it be a good idea to find a good rotation guide ( I believe I made this comment because this group saw 3 spears fall) while being near top geared. I can't remember if they had alex gear or simply all 270 slots but the point is he was geared enough for proper rotation to not have that 3rd round appear. He told me it was fine, it is just a game, does not care, and I am the first person that ever said anything. This tells me people in general lack observation skills.

Telling someone they have room for improvement or that their lack of effort is noticeable is not harassment. I do not understand for the life of me why it is bad to point out bad DPS rotations but people have a right to harass healers when someone dies. In a different DF I was trying to tell this BLM to AoE rotate because things are staying up too long burning my MP. People got on my case for the wipe saying I was not healing, and that the blm was fun (the blm was not fine) and was kicked for it.

Me and my friend routinely find leveling DFs where we are the top DPS on SCH (in different runs ofc), one worth noting my friend found a Sohm AI run where her SCH did top, then the DRK in mostly grit, then the 2 dps. The only "big exaggeration" here is your own statement.

On the forums "Nobody PROMOTES bad or mediocre play." is true, but in DF, most of the time, people you expect you to deal with the bad play, thus promoting it, because it is only xxxxx, it is easy. I left an aery when vote kick failed because of a group had this mentality, I will not tolerate it.

[ToasterMan]

:Telling someone they have room for improvement or that their lack of effort is noticeable is not harassment. I do not understand for the life of me why it is bad to point out bad DPS rotations but people have a right to harass healers when someone dies.

Nobody here is saying that. That's been said multiple times in this thread.

From healer to healer I'll tell you, nobody should be harassing anyone, no matter what role they are.

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You are ether:
1. Extremely lucky
2. Queue with 2/3 friends
3. Doing 1 DF a day and think it is a good sample size.
4. You do not know how to see it(meaning you NEVER found top end play so there for do not know what true speed is. If we are quoting expert, Proper DPS can kill the sloppy guy right around the second round of spears. If both DPS, tank and healer are outputing, you will not even see the second round fall.)

I used duty finder exclusively for getting my relic. Tons of ARF runs along with roulettes. Each run took around 19-20 minutes on average. I had a few hiccups but it really wasn't anything major. I am a very DPS heavy healer when I'm in DF so maybe it's me, but I doubt it.

:On the forums "Nobody PROMOTES bad or mediocre play." is true, but in DF, most of the time, people you expect you to deal with the bad play, thus promoting it, because it is only xxxxx, it is easy.

Alright let me propose a scenario to you for a moment. Lets say that the vote kick did go through. DPS is kicked out and another one comes in. This guy isn't playing to the standard either, so he gets kicked. Another few minutes pass, and another comes in. What's this? Hes not good enough either. He gets kicked and another minute passes until yet another DPS comes in. Then it happens about ten more times until you finally get someone that meets your standard. What's that? There's no way that could happen? How? You said that the majority of the player base is terrible right? How much time have you wasted fishing for this guy? You could've finished the dungeon way earlier if you just stayed with the other guy. Don't you think that's kind of selfish to make the other players wait for someone that meets YOUR standards?

It's like driving a car after awhile. When I first started driving, I thought going 20 miles an hour was fast. To me that's a snails pace now. I can't bear to go under 40 when I drive. It's a lot similar when I did some speed runs with some really good raiders way back. Those dungeons just flew by. Going back to regular DF with average players seemed really slow. See, top level play is.......well top level. If it was everywhere then it wouldn't be top level play now would it?

: I left an aery when vote kick failed because of a group had this mentality, I will not tolerate it.

There's more to this then you're letting on.