Dam. meter

[Rysir]

A parser existing does not automatically make a community a TM06.

Team fortress 2 has one in its man vs machine mode which is about the saltiest game mode you can find and its parser lets you see kills,deaths, damage and healing but is it the cause of anger? Elitism? Nope! Its your class and weapon, in fact you only get judged by your damage stat when its around 10000 when even the non offensive role is rocking 500000.

If theres any toxic people to pop up if a parser was added its because they were already here not because of a parser, this community has lots of assholes.

I dont care either way if we get a parser or not though.

[Percept707]

A meter should be available that displays information for damage, healing, and damage taken. I don't want a DBM like in wow because that makes the fights less fun imo.

The only counter response to adding a meter is that someone somewhere on the internet might say something to "hurt my feels."

If you're playing a game and someone posting your shit dps numbers actually offends you then suck it the hell up. If you're reading this chances are half of you are already triggered since it seems 50% of the playerbase here is a bunch of weeaboos that want to ruin a large part of enjoyment that people can get from that game, which is actively setting goals and improving.

When I was raiding in wow I would sometimes spend hours working on my optimised opener rotation, since character stats made the opener for all subterfuge rogues different. This was very enjoyable for me and I loved being able to improve, and I needed to see those numbers in order to improve.

[Percept707]

I play on ps4 and I started about 6 weeks ago. This game is amazing and the end game fights are so much funner then what I did in wow wod, but I can't even test what my dps is.

Even a single person dps meter would be awesome and don't tell me that we can't do that because yoshi says people will reverse engineer the data. Its 2017 we have flying cars and self driving cars and you're an idiot if you believe this and think the concept will compromise anything.

This is my first post ever and absolutely ridiculous that ps4 doesn't have a single option to check dps for our rotation and openers because "muh feels." Amazing game but get over yourselves so people that want to run a good grp can see improvement outside of "yea I think we killed the boss faster / died less."

[Percept707]

Finally its a great tool to compare yourself to other players of the same class. I used it a ton in wow when I was progressing to see what other players of the same class were doing differently. I can remember countless times when I would message them after a kill and see what their stat weights were and ask for pointers.

The concept of a meter has so many pros to it and legit the only reason sensitive yoshi wont add it is "muh feels."

Such a basic concept that when absent shows such a lack of incompetence on the part of the designer.

[Rongway]

Also FFLogs only shows the leaderboards for current content (ie, my Midas Savage is no longer ranked because Creator Savage is current (or if it is still ranked I can't find it >.>))

I believe the comparison stands because it *is* still a leaderboard, and it does not show the entire playerbase on it, just those who have cleared the content. To translate it a bit: "Look this loser is only number 12 lol"

But that site does allow you to look someone up by name, regardless of their ranking. If you had a lot of time, or a good robot, you could easily organize the data in a list of the top X scores out of X--that is, everyone--and see in what percentile they fall for their job in a particular bit of content, therefore allowing public shaming.

PotD just says, "Here are the top 100 scores out of X participants."


In the context of parsing just your party or alliance, the parser gives a complete ranking top 8 of 8 or top 24 of 24, allowing you to look for a particular member's score and shame him for his performance. If it were comparable to PotD rankings, you would only see who ranked #1 (or perhaps 1-3 in an alliance), and you would have no information about the rest of the group.




In case it's not clear, I'm not saying "Let's do this." I'm only saying, "If we displayed parse results in a manner more simmilar to the Palace rankings, it would look more like this."

[Rongway]

If people're going to bring existing tools into the discussion, let's not pretend they don't have every single feature someone would ever want for harassing people, and we absolutely should not want to make it easier for people to harass others.


In re: "If people are parsing to harass, report them!"

Status quo for people who want to parse: they parse or ask a friend to parse.
If parsers were allowed: they would parse or ask a friend to parse.

Status quo for people who don't want to be harassed: If someone parses to harass, and you report them, they are clearly in violation.
If parsers were allowed: If someone parses to harass, you would have to argue your case.

Things wouldn't change for people who want to parse, and things would only become more of a hastle for the victims of harassment and bullying.

[Dualgunner]

But that site does allow you to look someone up by name, regardless of their ranking. If you had a lot of time, or a good robot, you could easily organize the data in a list of the top X scores out of X--that is, everyone--and see in what percentile they fall for their job in a particular bit of content, therefore allowing public shaming.

Okay but to be clear, that's a fourth party on top of the third party you're talking about there. Someone *could* is all you have right now, and that is a lot of effort to go to to shame someone which tells me, person X in this actively wants to shame person Y, so they'll find any way to do it anyway.

PotD just says, "Here are the top 100 scores out of X participants."

You can't look up the DPS percentile for dungeons. AFAIK there is no recorded percentile list for Baelsar's Wall. ATM it's just Creator Savage that my rankings show up for. So if your dps isn't up to par in Creator Savage then that means you're doing Creator Savage, and at that point (I) actively want to be a better player for the team anyway.

In the context of parsing just your party or alliance, the parser gives a complete ranking top 8 of 8 or top 24 of 24, allowing you to look for a particular member's score and shame him for his performance. If it were comparable to PotD rankings, you would only see who ranked #1 (or perhaps 1-3 in an alliance), and you would have no information about the rest of the group.

Maybe this is where we differ: I like to assume the best of people where it seems you like to assume the worst.

If we're still talking about FFLogs which is the leaderboard I compared PotD's to then only people who are doing the current endgame raid content are in rankings at all. Not regular dungeons, not guildhests or FATEs or PotD even. Just (in 3.5x's case) Creator Savage. So of the playerbase, this is only the selective few that go in there that would even be up in the rankings.

In case it's not clear, I'm not saying "Let's do this." I'm only saying, "If we displayed parse results in a manner more simmilar to the Palace rankings, it would look more like this."

So you want FFLogs to only display the top 1 percentile of people who've cleared Savage, as opposed to just people who've cleared savage?

If people're going to bring existing tools into the discussion, let's not pretend they don't have every single feature someone would ever want for harassing people, and we absolutely should not want to make it easier for people to harass others.

In re: "If people are parsing to harass, report them!"

Status quo for people who want to parse: they parse or ask a friend to parse.
If parsers were allowed: they would parse or ask a friend to parse.

Status quo for people who don't want to be harassed: If someone parses to harass, and you report them, they are clearly in violation.
If parsers were allowed: If someone parses to harass, you would have to argue your case.

Things wouldn't change for people who want to parse, and things would only become more of a hastle for the victims of harassment and bullying.

So what you're admitting to, is you like the guilty until never proven innocent defense right now?

Also I doubt that it would be that much of a hassle, since the mods would still probably be biased against parser users.

[Ashua]

There is honestly little room for discussion as the developers have said they do not want it. I do not want it and I would guarantee if a poll was taken the majority of players would not want it.

[dragonseth07]

Honestly, SE should just give us one server per region that has parsers. Then we can all go there. The people that don't want to be parsed can stay where they are and have 40-minute dungeons.

[Ashua]

Honestly, SE should just give us one server per region that has parsers. Then we can all go there. The people that don't want to be parsed can stay where they are and have 40-minute dungeons.

No thanks. I like my FF as parse free as possible. Its not needed and there are already unofficial but taboo parsing going on. Anyone who wants to be parsed right now is getting parsed and the rebute about how some ps4 players want a parser to be able to improve have a pretty decent grasp from the event dummies right now that scale for each encounter. Plus Ps4 players who want to be parsed are being parsed. A large % of those people are being parsed and bringing this to a more legit public is ripe for duty finder and player tier status splitting.

And the proof is in the pudding. You can see it going on in games that have parsing so I am not sure why people are going on about how its just anecdotal evidence when the entirety of the other communities are so toxic that its a internet meme in gaming circles.