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    Quote Originally Posted by StarRosie View Post
    While I agree to a point, I still stand by my point, that if you are gonna bring people's parser numbers up, do so politely, in a way that is actually helpful. Not to shame them. Joining an EX primal does not give people the right to harass, bully, and abuse other players over their numbers. And personally so far (Calm down, I am not saying that my experience represents all of the pro-parser camp or all who use parsers. Justgiving perspective.) I've seen far more people use a parser to number shame, bully, and harass people. So I can wholly see where Yoshi comes from on that respect.

    I am sure some use parsers to help inform people where to improve and good on them for that. But overall, I can't get behind the idea of parsers, but that's me and my opinions. It's a difficult thing to balance out, do we introduce a parser for the handful of people who would use it to actually help people and risk the horde of people who will use it to be a troll? Or do we just not introduce it? Again, these thoughts are colored by my experiences and I'm sure for some its different.
    This, and I am sure helpful people can tell without prasers anyway, so it is not needed. Today is a good example, a level 60 roulette in ARF. My friend noticed right away this BLM needed some advice in rotations. So after trying to bring it up lightly and seeing they are accepting to advice (not defensive in a toxic way) she gave them pointers and a com at the end for it, and getting coms as DPS is a bit harder since people auto com healer or tank more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada View Post
    This, and I am sure helpful people can tell without prasers anyway, so it is not needed.
    I think tanks and healers get comms more because their job is more obvious to critique, and thus may be seen as more stressful. If we had parser you'd probably see DD get more comms than now, also in general I imagine people would learn how to play their job better sooner since they'd know where they stood and what was expected in a tangible way. Without having a detailed breakdown of your performance it is hard to know just how bad/different you are compared to someone else. Key take away I got while watching a popular warrior guide maker on youtube, he was talking about how important it was for him to have it installed to improve and how he thought he was doing just fine until he had it installed to tell him the truth.

    At the moment their job is pretty anonymized (DD), I mean you can watch and give tips as you said but it requires you to /watch/ them, some things hard to see, and which of course requires content or a job that allows you that privilege. Bad healer/tank far more obvious than a bad DD due to all eyes on them and near no eyes allowed on DD, as well as the standard of quality being required higher (you could have your DD afk in some dungeons and make it out with healer/tank combo, that doesn't mean they should though, meanwhile your tank/healer afk most likely the content will never finish).

    I also think the lack of ability to easily reference the problem (again tank/healer you can, better at least) makes it so people get more "telling me I did something wrong, even if polite, is harassment" something I found far less often in WoW.. but we all knew who was doing poorly then because more than half the group had it on and one person was probably pasting to chat after certain fights.
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    Last edited by Shougun; 04-27-2017 at 01:28 AM.