Dam. meter

[bswpayton]

we need a dps meter so bad its ridiculous that we dont have one guess thats the same reason why you cant talk in the feast

[Jkap_Goat]

No parsers please, I already got harassed by another player in sophia ex bird farm party, this WHM was looking at my moveset, calling out my dps numbers to everyone in the party. I was very embarrassed and very upset because I didn't ask for my numbers, Noone seemed to complain except that parser, even though I completed it fine. I would not like Noone to feel what I went though, parsing will be used for abuse.

[bswpayton]

No parsers please, I already got harassed by another player in sophia ex bird farm party, this WHM was looking at my moveset, calling out my dps numbers to everyone in the party. I was very embarrassed and very upset because I didn't ask for my numbers, Noone seemed to complain except that parser, even though I completed it fine. I would not like Noone to feel what I went though, parsing will be used for abuse.

Dps meter or not people will harass, but having a meter should spark within you as a player to do better. I think a personal meter if anyth9ng should be an option like I would like to know if im being a burden on the team in reality when Im thinkin Im just doing so well. A meter want lie , a player can lie to themselves about their dps but having a check there I believe would improve overall performance.

[Jkap_Goat]

I have to disagree with you greatly on that personal meter, people will find ways to abuse that. we already have Stone, sea ,sky for that.

[bswpayton]

I have to disagree with you greatly on that personal meter, people will find ways to abuse that. we already have Stone, sea ,sky for that.

Stone sky is nothing tho I mean literally doesnt account for anything its just a dummy that stands there , death and mechanics effect dps. If Im melee like dragoon doesnt account for me having to move out of an aoe and lose botd thus lose some dps. Doesnt account for all the moving a blm has to do , as a tank I can stay in sword oath or darkside the whole time without having to switch back. I dont know no why people keep referring to this thing its just a glorified striking dummy with a health bar nothing more.

[Kaethra]

I have to disagree with you greatly on that personal meter, people will find ways to abuse that.

There's no evidence of this. NONE.

Before I came back to FFXIV I was playing WoW for Legion, and then ESO right before FFXIV. Both games had fully functioning LUA damage meters and parsers. No one was 'abusing' anyone. Even in WoW's big scary population, no one was harassing anyone. The only time I saw parses linked was within a raiding guild I was apart of. In ESO parses were never linked.

There's all this heresay about how people get rimmed for low DPS when meters are available. This is a lie. By spreading such misinformation YOU are being the abuser.

[ToasterMan]

There's all this heresay about how people get rimmed for low DPS when meters are available. This is a lie. By spreading such misinformation YOU are being the abuser.

You're........not serious are you?

Not only are you burying your head in the sand when clear evidence is being presented to you, You've somehow convinced yourself that you're the victim. The amount mental gymnastics needed to make you come to that conclusion is extraordinary.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Dps meter or not people will harass, but having a meter should spark within you as a player to do better. I think a personal meter if anyth9ng should be an option like I would like to know if im being a burden on the team in reality when Im thinkin Im just doing so well. A meter want lie , a player can lie to themselves about their dps but having a check there I believe would improve overall performance.

No, you should want to be performing at your best with or without a meter. If you know your job well enough, you know if you're doing well or not. A meter won't give someone incentive to do better if they don't already have it, and it's pretty naive to think simply looking at raw numbers will make the difference over really practicing and perfecting your rotations, skill and cooldown usage, and implementing them in the best possible manner.

*Although I would add that DBM and like mods make the game easier for casual player, new to MMO, and first time no guide blind run players, since they do things like remind you to stack and tell you to get out of the puddle you're standing in - basically its like if you had a good player sitting in the same room as you, they can't touch your keyboard but they could guide you not to die.. which is both a good and bad thing, makes the game easier and devs wont make it too hard on casual content so that wont change but it does require that the devs make harder content for the harder stuff lol (meaning if you dont use it you're looking at a taller wall). Also of course adding that some of these features are already present in one of the tools discussed in this thread, so its vaguely already here affecting gameplay just that SE has no idea when it is because they've asked not to be told haha. PS4 is not an issue to me since they can use mods (other games have made it work), perhaps Sony made them do a bunch of hoops first though lol.

No. No no no. Been playing console since I started and I've never needed mods (which are already illegal on console) or addons. Why? Because I've got 2 eyes and good working reflexes. I know when to move out of an aoe. I know when I should stack for something. The game even HAS obvious visual markers for common mechanics now. Why would I need a program to tell me to do something I should know how to do by now? How easy do people want this game to get?

[Canadane]

No parsers please, I already got harassed by another player in sophia ex bird farm party, this WHM was looking at my moveset, calling out my dps numbers to everyone in the party. I was very embarrassed and very upset because I didn't ask for my numbers, Noone seemed to complain except that parser, even though I completed it fine. I would not like Noone to feel what I went though, parsing will be used for abuse.

Wouldn't this be motivation to improve?

[StarRosie]

Wouldn't this be motivation to improve?

If it was offered up politely and in a constructive way? Probably. But it sounds like the parser was used to number shame and bully them. I really hope they reported that person, because that is the very reason Yoshi-P has stated why we won't get parsers. Cause more people will use it to number shame people rather then offer actual advice and constructive criticism.