Put back Extreme trial on raid finder again...please

[bswpayton]

To clarify again I am not talkin about myself here I have cleared every extreme primal in hw but two and I have yet to even do one of them. I cleared a9s first attempt in a learning party , I am not arguing on my behalf really. If I want to clear something I have made learning parties for thordan, sep, sophia, and a9s, a10s. I know how to use the party finder Im not sure why this keeps coming up , and I have used this feature because the very feature that you guys are advocating for is trash for anyone who is working on a fight. I have stated I know very well that in these primals with their raid focus mechanics and stacks are much less forgiving on one persons mistakes than those that were in Arr.

I know that one person can screw up a sep farm by not grabing towers, I know that, two people can ruin zur if they dont do soar correctly. I have done this content just like you guys , I am just simply not a farmer I just would rather get my clear and be done with it instead of dealing with such toxic behavior that is in this game. Thats a personal thing and duty finder works you guys are just assuming that it does not the thing is that like I said it isnt a one shot it isnt gona end in success every time that is the only difference. So to the perfectionist sure thats a waste of time but to everyone else its their only way to learn. So what I am simply sayin no people dont need a vet to hold their hands to guide them through content, but lets be real only a certain amount of people even touch this content so sometimes paths will cross in duty finder. Because the difference here is the same bashing your head against the wall that you may have experienced isnt afforded to new players it isnt afforded to those in the novice network currently. They dont get a break , they dont even get a chance period, so when new stuff comes out how bout dismiss yourself from a party if u make one mistake in a fight while your learning. See the thing is you wouldnt its ok when you want to learn something but oh god forbid someone else wants that same chance.

Nobody is asking for a hand being held they are just asking to be included, which in rf they were not in pf maybe but not the majority. So now its in duty finder , the option is there not to que like many have said but it still gives those whom havent seen the fight access and at this point that is more important than someone farming birds when they can get their birds any time. Someone tryin to clear these fights sync once new stuff comes out is less than 50 percent ask ur friends how many of them went back and ran the old arr primals sync if they came once hw was already out for a while. Every one I know did wat the majority was doing unsync wouldnt even thiink about a sync clear. So lets not act like it wont be any different in sb, so with access even if a new player doesn't clear their fist time they still had access where as with rf its an instant rejection period.

So with that access they could then make progression groups instead of learning groups and then eventually clear. Where as if they are sittin in a que for 5 hours they get no access and cant make such a party. So like I said before if someone wanted their birds should of got it before that duty finder came a calling. I just dont feel sorry for it just like nobody feels sorry are cares about those whom want their clear these last two months before the expansion. And Im a mentor to btw , and I do spend a good bit of my time helping others its not required but thats how I like to play the game. Thats neither here nor there , but this is all about options here , before the option of the uncleared person was very limited now they at least have two. I cant say the same about those whom farm content , their option and their mean spirited parties with the rudeness has always been there and will always be there which is fine its not so much the filter its more so the language on that part. But at the end of the day SE has made this choice and its one that is good , Its only two months then things will go back to as they where before. Like I said how you guys seem to be feeling now is the same way that anyone would feel that loooked at the party finder and saw how vile people can be. If you really think the rf works for new people are those whom havent cleared make an alt and just let your computer sit until the que pops for you or even one person joins the group.

[DaikiKiyoshi]

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This post is so littered with hypocrisy and entitlement/contradiction it's sick. So basically if you didn't get your stuff before it made it into DF too bad so sad. You no longer matter. Which group was the selfish one again? (The answer is painfully obvious and this question is rhetorical.)

[OMGAFLYINGPENGUIN]

I like how this community somehow feels that everyone is obligated to help whether it is in our nature to do so, like it or not. And right now it is somehow our fault if we don't get our bird before it was brought to duty finder wow lolol.

Bswpayton you probably posted one of the most contradicting and hypocritical post in this thread, I have farmed my stuff through RF and even learnt the fights from there. You seem extremely aggressive towards a certain group of people (the veterans) but it still does not justify the choices of your words, well guess it was my fault I didn't get my birds before all of this, not RNG or not the people who outrolled me, yup totally my fault lol.

[Dualgunner]

I can't read this shit without winding myself, please please PLEASE learn to break up text walls

I just realized, you say 90% of people haven't cleared, but the 10% that have are somehow cutting the 90% out of clearing?

EDIT: I'll amend to insinuate, as the argument you're making relies on what I've said before as the premise, however I cannot find a direct quote of you saying that.

[Annoynymoose]

A wall of contradiction and hypocrisy ಠ_ಠ

You're one of the reason why we can't have nice things.

[Vidu]

I'm really sorry, I cant read all of this

I really cant. To much text, not enough structure, sense or order. But I feel, I really need to point out that "having access"-thing to you again:

RF was always open to everyone. Everyone was able to queue.
And if people who are wanting to clear have to wait longer the reason for that is that not enough people want to learn this content right now (and are queuing for it).
People who are queuing with the clear-option at the same time are not blocking their access to the content. They are simply queueing for something else - and thats okay!
(Really by this logic everyone who isnt queueing for Sastasha NM right now is blocking access to it for players who just started the game!)

You know why Rf "wasnt working" for those who wanted to get their kills? Not because of us mean, mean farmers and veterans who didnt wanted to help - but because most people who want to learn those fights wont do it in RF, just as they didnt do in DF. They know its pointless - 60 minutes arent enough for firsttimers to learn the whole fight, so why should they waste time on that? Specially when they want to practise later phases but RF/DF is almost guraanted to pair you up with someone who is completly new, putting the whole group - including those who made it to add-phase, final phase and even that vet, who wanted to help and already has their bird - back to square one.
I would advise any person who wants to get their clear to peak into DF/RF, leave after 15 minutes when they've gotten an idea of the first phase so they're less anxious about going in again - and then make a learning party.

The reason RF "wasnt working" for those who wanted to clear is the absence of people who wanted to clear aswell - it is not the absence of farm-people who wanted to get their fast kills in.
And that actually goes both ways - before they moved Sophia into DF I tried to queue up for a farm, just to see if it would still work. Estimated time: over 30 minutes. I decided I wouldnt wait that long, so I cnat tell you how long it would have took me to get in. But who do I blame for that now? All those filthy people who already have their birds and dont queue up anymore?

Your last sentence ("If you really think the rf works for new people are those whom havent cleared make an alt and just let your computer sit until the que pops for you or even one person joins the group.") even shows a general missunderstanding of the RF. I dont need to make a new character to have access to the "not-cleared"-queue. Clearing content doesnt immidiatly kick me out of that - I do, when I wish so, by selecting that option. If I feel like teaching, or maybe even practising a bit more myself, I can always go back into that queue.

RFs clear-option was opening up two things:
- a second lane for everyone who wanted to farm
- a method to make sure everyone in your PF-made-farm-party had the clear - if not, it wouldnt let you queue and you were able to sort that out before going in (-> seeing the bonus-message without a warning in a farm-group often leads to people leaving at the spot - and they have every right to do so. Sneaking into farm-parties is NOT cool - and it gets less cool when you dont even ask if its okay. On the other hand I have seen people in farm-parties more welcoming to help someone if they just did one thing: Spoke up before the bonus appeared. Even speaking up when we werent able to queue in, which is already damn fucking late, can do the trick.)

I want both those things back - and even if I dont get them back for HW-primals, I'd like to express here that I would be very pleased to see the upcoming SB-EX-primals be kept in RF (or any two-queue-system, really - again, dont care about the interface, just the function) until 5.0 really hits. And by really hits I mean: When we can indeed unsych those primals and no one would want to do them as they are anymore.
The two months you're talking about are two months that we're still playing. And I'm pretty sure everyone would like to spend them in the way they prefer and there is nothing wrong with that - however, those who would have prefered spending them in queue for "farm"-parties, cant do that anymore, while nothing or little has changed for those who just want to wipe in phase 1. And then hopefully go and make their learning party because anything else would be insane...