Put back Extreme trial on raid finder again...please

[bswpayton]

If its not a majority of people who'd use the option in the first place, what harm is done?


It may not take away our chance not to have the cleared-option in RF, but its making farming less convenient and more annyoing.

The thing about it is we agree on what your saying I have seen first hand in learning parties on zur where dps is so low from dps that not only do u see soar but u see it twice and demons claw. And this is in parties with just one tank, so I get the whole filter part of what your saying players that can perfectly do this content like its a puzzle with ease and finish and destroy it in 5 mins should be able to do this.

Where we disagree is that to me , the time for the filter is up you wont it to continue and it will continue just on new stuff no longer the old stuff and I'm 100 percent ok with that. Because the fact of the matter is that farmers have had things their way ever sense rf was released. Even week one of zur coming out people where already saying no the fight Id say even two days after it was released which is fine. But what Im sayin is that its very rare that people that are a bit slower to grasp on to mechanics etc get a chance to do it in ways they would like. So both sides have arguments to pretty much the same thing , but the difference is , is that farmers have had their filter for 6 months. So now its gone are others to feel bad about this? If a new person posted today in this forums I'm having trouble gettin a que for this or that primal what would be the very next post under it be well why dont you make a learning party.

So I say to you or anyone else on here why dont you make a no bonus party pf is full of them , and if someone sneaks in disband just like a learning party would do the same if things arent gettin anywhere. Its as simple as that , nobody is gona feel sorry for someone late to content and just now doing it people could careless so why expect sympathy from those who are still tryin to clear content and are happy its in duty finder when for so long you have had the perfect set up. You even said yourself you have your birds from ur methods and it worked, so just like people dont care about someone tryin to learn a fight should of been there when everyone else was learning I say to the farmers should of gotten all your birds like Vidu did before they went to Df.

LIke the commercial goes gota be quicker than that , but seriously with the new expansion everyone pretty much has a 100 percent shot at gettin a bird face roll the unsync content 99 times and you have your bird. Its not even rng based like the arr ponies are, but lets be honest someone tryin to make a learning group for a primal or raid thats unsyncable now id say they have about a 5 percent or less chance of that happening. So I think yea in the beginning sure have your filters in the mist, but now SE is just tryin to keep subs and make as many people happy as possible and thats why everything is in the df now more access for everyone the filter will return in sb for those who want it to regain their happiness.

[Vidu]

So I say to you or anyone else on here why dont you make a no bonus party pf is full of them ,and if someone sneaks in disband just like a learning party would do the same if things arent gettin anywhere. Its as simple as that , nobody is gona feel sorry for someone late to content and just now doing it people could careless so why expect sympathy from those who are still tryin to clear content and are happy its in duty finder when for so long you have had the perfect set up. You even said yourself you have your birds from ur methods and it worked, so just like people dont care about someone tryin to learn a fight should of been there when everyone else was learning I say to the farmers should of gotten all your birds like Vidu did before they went to Df.

Here is the thing though about you telling me "just go and make your farm party in PF" - I can say the same to anyone who wants to learn the fight: "just go and make your learning party inf PF"

PF is offering the option to form the party that suits our needs for both of us. And you're obviously fine with that.
DF, on the other hand is not offering that option for both of us - which is what I'd like to see. Currently DF is only benefitting those who are okay with most likely only seeing the first phase of a fight. Anyone else cant use the DF, making a tool thats supposed to make our game-experience better and easier, completly useless.
DF should be for everyone, right? At least thats what you guys seem to say - but at the same time you're making DF only for first timers who dont care how far they'll get in the fight.

I'm of the opinion that both sides - newbies and vets - should be able to use both tools - DF and PF - at their convenience. Currently you guys agree that its fine that both sides are using the PF in the way that suits them (as in: making learning and no-bonus-farm-parties). Why is asking for that in DF such a horrible thing?
Why does DF has to be a place for everyone who is to lazy to make a learning party? Why is it okay for farmers to exclude themself in PF, but not in DF? Why can I use both tools when I want to see/learn the fight - but am limited to the more inconvenient one as soon as I want to farm? When it didnt has to be that way!

[bswpayton]

Here is the thing though about you telling me "just go and make your farm party in PF" - I can say the same to anyone who wants to learn the fight: "just go and make your learning party inf PF"

But the roles are just simply reversed now is what Im saying Im guessing no one has touched on the fact that when you qued for the havent cleared yet in rf. You could pretty much expect to not even get one person to join the party as a matter of fact I made a post about it, and their where actually several threads about it. So because of this you could pretty much say raid finder was only for maybe learning the very first week the content came out and after that the already cleared filter was much more used than the havent yet cleared. So this pretty much made rf only for those whom have already cleared the content only, I highly doubt that anyone was getting any ques in the looking for practice portion of the raid finder prior to SE making this change to df.

So Rf was exclusively for farmers only, even tho I know pf works as far as learning content and getting a clear it to is still exclusively for farmers. 90 percent of the parties at any given time in pf are farm parties and go like this, no all mechanics, no the fight, no bonus, if you are bad you will get kicked, bring good dps etc which is fine. So if 90 percent of something is like this you have to also say that its pretty much catered to those whom make these type of parties. I dont see how any new person are returning player could look at even the party finder and be like wow you know what this feature is so welcoming to all players because it simply isnt if we being honest about it.

So now with 2 months left two small months its in duty finder which actually gives everyone in the game access to this content everybody it gives access to. (Prior to this rf havent cleared yet you can x that off the list not gona get a que there. Party finder oh no learning parties on here right now all farms and no bonus parties I cant join a farm yet havent cleared it. )The only option a new player had was to make a learning party and that was it while farmers, and people whom have cleared multiple times have had a strong hold on this content as soon as rf came out and as soon as pf came out.

So now that literally everyone is on the same playing field of access now its a problem with only two months left until the next expansion, things will go right back to as they where before as soon as the new primal comes out. If you dont think that pf and rf overwhelming was in the favor of those whom have already cleared the content then Id challenge you to look at ur pf and to see how many no bonus parties u see compared to learning parties. So with two months left to do when you know this wont happen with brand new storm blood content even if putting in df doesnt benefit everyone, hasnt the features like rf and pf overwhelming benefited them more than those who hadnt cleared content already?


@Dualgunner
Id beg the differ on that one because I have stated all of my arr primals where cleared viva duty finder my bis and ravana was cleared in duty finder many people have stated they have gotten many clears in duty finder. I think the difference is simply this those whom que in duty finder dont expect a clear, if they que but the opportunity to clear. Farmers just simply want for sure clears which is perfectly fine, but just like someone who hasnt even touch the content has to jump leaps and bounds to get their learning parties to result in something that works. Its simply welcome to the club at this point, most of the time farmers wernt gona que for the havent cleared section either. So its no different duty finder ques will be filled a lot faster than tryin to que in rf when u havent cleared the content yet.