Put back Extreme trial on raid finder again...please

[aleph_null]

The number of practice parties would be proportional to the number of people who haven't cleared. The contents we're talking about (creator savage, zurvan ex) are months old, they're somewhat past their "best before date" so it's not weird that there are more farm groups than practice, especially considering they're quite easier than previous savage/ex so many people who are interested in such contents have cleared them. If you're months late then tough luck, there are less people like you so it'll be harder to make a practice group. Is it unfair? Well life is unfair. It's not our fault that we were playing this game 5-ish months ago when creator savage was released. It's also not your fault that you didn't clear those contents soon after their release, but that's just how it works: more people cleared = more farm groups.

Zurvan (and sophia, a9s, a10s) were clearable after few hours of practice for most people, so it's not strange that you see later phase practice parties (or even clear/farm parties) on the day they're released. On the other hand, that doesn't mean there are no practice parties. I saw a lot of practice parties for zurvan/sophia weeks after they were released. Just because some people make farm/clear PF groups a few hours after release doesn't mean you can't make a practice PF group. They're faster than you, so what? Can't they be? They're not obliged to help others who are slower to get up to where they are. Another important thing is that there are many of those clear/farm parties few hours after patch because it's actually clearable quickly so there are enough people to fill those parties, otherwise people wouldn't bother. If someone made an aim to clear PF group for a12s 3 days after patch they're probably trolling or crazy.

[Vanitas]

Sorry friend but let's face it you can have a full group of people who "cleared" be 10x worse that that one guy desperate for a clear who probably would have been your top dps if they joined as such.
What I'm trying to say is that even with content in raid finder, there's no real chance of that group being legit even with a whole team of "farmers". it really makes no difference in the end to be honest. You either get a good group or a poo poo storm. Blocking people who haven't cleared with rf BARELY mitigates this.

[DaikiKiyoshi]

Sorry friend but let's face it you can have a full group of people who "cleared" be 10x worse that that one guy desperate for a clear who probably would have been your top dps if they joined as such.
What I'm trying to say is that even with content in raid finder, there's no real chance of that group being legit even with a whole team of "farmers". it really makes no difference in the end to be honest. You either get a good group or a poo poo storm. Blocking people who haven't cleared with rf BARELY mitigates this.

As someone who has used RF to farm Ex trials I beg to differ. The difference is astounding. Granted even when I had it set to Duty Complete I still had the occasional party that failed miserably but they were 1 off flukes. I had way more smooth 1 shot clears on duty complete than I ever got by using Duty Incomplete or even the Party Finder. I got the vast majority of my Soph Ex clears from Raid Finder set to Duty Complete. Blocking people who had not cleared made a huge difference. Similarly my runs set to Duty Incomplete were vastly more tolerable and friendly than normal because everyone who joined went in with the understanding that they may well spend 90 minutes wiping and never see phase 3 and they were fine with that. So yes you always have the chance to get those fluke parties of people who don't know what they are doing but being able to filter people according to their goals is helpful to everyone. The ONLY people this system doesn't benefit is trolls and people looking for carries.

[bswpayton]

So I think the bigger question is , for everyone that still thinks this is a horrible thing , why do you think that devs decided to make this change? What reason do you think that the devs possibly could of had in mind to remove these out of raid finder to put them in df with the other old primals?

[ReplicaX]

So I think the bigger question is , for everyone that still thinks this is a horrible thing , why do you think that devs decided to make this change? What reason do you think that the devs possibly could of had in mind to remove these out of raid finder to put them in df with the other old primals?

Content has been out for an extended period of time, the exception being Zurvan. In preparation for SB Raids & EX is the only reason I see them doing it, unless as stated they have some in-house timetable for content.

[Yeol]

So I think the bigger question is , for everyone that still thinks this is a horrible thing , why do you think that devs decided to make this change? What reason do you think that the devs possibly could of had in mind to remove these out of raid finder to put them in df with the other old primals?

Apparently, clear rates increase when such content is added to DF after it got echo. It is like the last hope for people who want to down it before 4.0 hits.

I've noticed that there are less rage quitters in DF. Especially if the queue took a long time. People tend to stay till the timer ends. With PF people can easily leave and join another party.
Someone usually ask if people know what to do and link a guid video. Give instruction and pull.

[bswpayton]

Apparently, clear rates increase when such content is added to DF after it got echo. It is like the last hope for people who want to down it before 4.0 hits.

I've noticed that there are less rage quitters in DF. Especially if the queue took a long time. People tend to stay till the timer ends. With PF people can easily leave and join another party.
Someone usually ask if people know what to do and link a guid video. Give instruction and pull.

Thank you last two posters you just pretty much said maybe in a nicer way what ive been saying this whole time but yet the people in this thread still want accept the idea that it is a last stitch attempt to make things easier for everyone.

[Moomba33]

I'm wondering if there's a data center difference issue here. In my experience RF was useless for solo queue for every Ex fight except Sophia Ex and her queues died too in 3.5. This is from queuing on evenings and weekends as a dps or healer on the Primal Data Center.
And yes I was queuing Duty Complete.

The functionality was nice in theory but not useful if the queue never pops. It would be helpful if that functionality was added to PF to stop people from sneaking into farms.

[ReplicaX]

How can you say its easier for everyone now? It clearly is not easier for anyone who wants to farm the content... And people ARE still farming this content. You complained about how there are only farm-parties in PF (even when you've been shown that thats not the case), so there is clearly a huge intrest in farming this content. Yet this change made it more difficult for that group of people...

If it is possible system wise, I believe what Moomba states below is a win-win. Especially now having cross-PF implemented. It doesn't hurt to have multiple options as long as they are viable. Especially if SE wants to set timetables moving content out of RF into DF.

I'm wondering if there's a data center difference issue here. In my experience RF was useless for solo queue for every Ex fight except Sophia Ex and her queues died too in 3.5. This is from queuing on evenings and weekends as a dps or healer on the Primal Data Center.
And yes I was queuing Duty Complete.

The functionality was nice in theory but not useful if the queue never pops. It would be helpful if that functionality was added to PF to stop people from sneaking into farms.

[Vaer]

I'm wondering if there's a data center difference issue here. In my experience RF was useless for solo queue for every Ex fight except Sophia Ex and her queues died too in 3.5. This is from queuing on evenings and weekends as a dps or healer on the Primal Data Center.
And yes I was queuing Duty Complete.

The functionality was nice in theory but not useful if the queue never pops. It would be helpful if that functionality was added to PF to stop people from sneaking into farms.

I'm on Primal.

Sophia died probably because by 3.5 a lot of people had their birds (the fight was really easy), in the first month at least it would pop relatively frequently and my clear rate was insanely high (it was actually better clear rate than PF for me) and I did about 20ish clears. On top of that they kinda killed her weapon with the Kinna weapons and by then people had 260 tome with Zurvan already having a better weapon.

Zurvan pretty much died immediately on NA because the skip soar 1 tank/5 dps method was unusable in RF because it forces 2 tanks and that strat spread like wildfire. I used zurvan RF incomplete on patch day with my gf and it was popping relatively fast. We stopped using it though because we went to PF to get into tether groups.

All the other trials before Sophia other than Rav/Bis were just moved into RF on the same patch as Sophia, they had DF queues before. I'm assuming they weren't working too well or they wouldn't have had to move them in the first place. Bis/Rav were excluded since I think people were already farming birds and getting clears in DF even if it was a bit tough.

So far it was pretty much only useful for Sophia EX for me. Other posters mentioned people used it to farm Creator Savage but I have a static so I didn't bother using it so I have no idea how good it was for that.