SE Please add jump and swiming

[Wynn]

Why can't I play a MMO tailored to my tastes? Just becasuse it's a MMO doesn't mean I'm not allowed to speak out about developement topics that I don't agree with, or ones I feel would be good for the game. That's the point of these forums I'll never understand people who come here just to try and "Shut down" people for there own ideals because they don't agree.

Discussing the topic can do nothing but good for both sides of the arguement lest we start hurling useless insults.

People are going to argue for/against jumping in XIV until the end of time wether it's implemented or not, get over it and join the conversation if you have something to actually add to the discussion. Otherwise telling people to "Go play a offline game of your tastes" is the most useless thing you can say, stop trying to stifle everyones voice wether you agree or don't agree. People come to a forum to....my god discuss things, let people discuss things.


That's far from "Confirming" the jump features release, when we see it show up in patch notes it's still up in the air. Yoshida has stated that a large portion of the userbase is AGAINST implementing the feature. So it's as likely that the plans are on hold until they can convince the players that it would be a good idea.

I'm not convinced yet, neither are many people here.

I want to hear what they have planned for a "Jump" feature before I condemn it but we don't have any information so one must assume it's going to be as useless and stupid as the most emulated game on the market.

Number one, you didn't quote the entire post which adds weight to the context so here it is:

Wanted to let you all know that we will be making it possible to cancel spells while casting by using the jump key or the ESC key. Have no fear that we do have plans for it! (The jump key method would of course be once it is implemented…)

And then I see your quote with his follow up.

Just to clarify, I wasn't joking in my post, sorry if I made the wrong impression (based on my usual hilarious anecdotes...) Sorry if I made anyone jump to that conclusion!

You'd have to be pretty far up de' nile to still believe jump is not coming.

[Jynx]

Perhaps you should have quoted my entire post.

Why would I quote your entire post when I am responding to a particular peice of information? I read the whole thing and I understand what you are saying. Quoting the whole thing doesn't change what I said.

Telling people to "Go play another game" is shutting down their opinions it's akin to me telling people to STFU and go play WoW if they want to bunny hop over earthquake attacks. My point stands that when you say "Not to be rude" and then go on to be rude, thats a asanine response.

It's about what's good for the game as a whole. Sorry, but MMOs aren't designed for one person who has pet peeves. We all have them, if they acted on all of them the game would likely be a steaming pile.

What makes you think that jumping is "Good for the game as a whole" sure the developers may think it's a neat and fun idea, but many people don't. Yoshida himself even said there was alot of lashback at the idea of adding jump to the game. I'm not telling the developers to act on my every whim, I am however voicing my opinion on the subject so they are aware of what I and others think on the subject.

Just letting the developement team to "Go it alone" and ignore the players by shutting down our discussion with asanine comments is pretty much telling the devs to do whatever they want, they asked for our input and continue to ask for it. Until they stop asking I'll keep telling them what I think, and I expect you to do the same.

I don't think adding jump is "Good for the game as a whole" So I will voice my opinion on it, I could care less what you think I'll argue my point as well as I can and if it's implemented so be it, I at least let them know what I thought of the idea instead of just twiddling my thumbs and didn't bother to let them know I don't agree with the choice.

You'd have to be pretty far up de' nile to still believe jump is not coming.

I guess I'll stay "Up de' nile" and wait untill the developers actually talk about a jump system, thing have changed a good deal from when Bayahone posted that. It still doesn't confirm jack all.

I guess I can go around spouting that the bestiary is in the works because Yoshida said he would "Look into it" Bay may very well have asked the dev team and got a thumbs up from them to say that, things are always changing in the dev process things are always being evaluated for implementation. As much as I trust and respect Bay I know that nothing is set in stone until we see it in the game.

I'll be waiting for it to appear in some patch notes before I "Confirm" it's release.

[Alerion]

Why would I quote your entire post when I am responding to a particular peice of information? I read the whole thing and I understand what you are saying. Quoting the whole thing doesn't change what I said.

Telling people to "Go play another game" is shutting down their opinions it's akin to me telling people to STFU and go play WoW if they want to bunny hop over earthquake attacks. My point stands that when you say "Not to be rude" and then go on to be rude, thats a asanine response.


What makes you think that jumping is "Good for the game as a whole" sure the developers may think it's a neat and fun idea, but many people don't. Yoshida himself even said there was alot of lashback at the idea of adding jump to the game. I'm not telling the developers to act on my every whim, I am however voicing my opinion on the subject so they are aware of what I and others think on the subject.

Just letting the developement team to "Go it alone" and ignore the players by shutting down our discussion with asanine comments is pretty much telling the devs to do whatever they want, they asked for our input and continue to ask for it. Until they stop asking I'll keep telling them what I think, and I expect you to do the same.

I don't think adding jump is "Good for the game as a whole" So I will voice my opinion on it, I could care less what you think I'll argue my point as well as I can and if it's implemented so be it, I at least let them know what I thought of the idea instead of just twiddling my thumbs and didn't bother to let them know I don't agree with the choice.

Why quote it all? Well that's not too hard to answer or understand. It adds context to the meaning of the post. You see, if I had only posted what you quoted, yea man that's pretty beast. Unfortunately that isn't how the world spins. It was all a singular thought process, therefore all of it should be noted.

I don't see what's so "asanine" about stating it isn't about your or my pet peeves. Such as not wanting to see people jump in a party. My comment, if you've the intellect to think abstractly, promotes viewing both sides, and if you cannot perhaps you should play titles designed for the individual.

As for you disagreeing with my "as a whole" comment, okay, I get you don't agree, fair enough. However, Yoshida said himself he wants to have XIV as the number one MMO. That simply isn't going to happen in the world market if you stay stuck to the ground. The MMO world as a whole, and not just the XI/JP market, are used to and expect free movement from a big name MMO. I'm sure you don't need me to list figures, you likely already know them.

And hey, you don't like free movement, coolbeans. I don't care to silence your or anyone else's voice on this forum, but maybe you should thicken your skin, as none of what I posted was an insult.

[Jdog]

Why quote it all? Well that's not too hard to answer or understand. It adds context to the meaning of the post. You see, if I had only posted what you quoted, yea man that's pretty beast. Unfortunately that isn't how the world spins. It was all a singular thought process, therefore all of it should be noted.

I don't see what's so "asanine" about stating it isn't about your or my pet peeves. Such as not wanting to see people jump in a party. My comment, if you've the intellect to think abstractly, promotes viewing both sides, and if you cannot perhaps you should play titles designed for the individual.

As for you disagreeing with my "as a whole" comment, okay, I get you don't agree, fair enough. However, Yoshida said himself he wants to have XIV as the number one MMO. That simply isn't going to happen in the world market if you stay stuck to the ground. The MMO world as a whole, and not just the XI/JP market, are used to and expect free movement from a big name MMO. I'm sure you don't need me to list figures, you likely already know them.

And hey, you don't like free movement, coolbeans. I don't care to silence your or anyone else's voice on this forum, but maybe you should thicken your skin, as none of what I posted was an insult.

Man....this is so true. I have played ff11 and WoW for years and i have studied many other mmo's and if you want to please the majority you have to change some things. Putting jump in this jump isn't silly...people when they play a game want to feel like they have somewhat some freedom i mean it is a game it's suppose to be fun. WoW figured it out that is why they have over 11 million people....It can't always be about pleasing the few ff11 cult followers and I'm sure Yoshi understands this...well atleast i hope he does..he did say he planned on it being the best MMO in the world and in order for that to happen i will tell you now...it will have to have some serious fun game mechanics to pull that one off.

[Jynx]

Why quote it all? Well that's not too hard to answer or understand. It adds context to the meaning of the post.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree, I respond to parts of a post that pertain to what I am saying, I don't like having a massive post just because I'm quoting someone elses paragraph, the quote function will lead people right to your post to read the whole thing if they are that concerned about the context of the message. I am speaking directly to you though, and you know the context of your message allready.

Considering you don't seem to think telling people to "Go play another game" is a insult I'll leave it there because you obviously don't think that was a rude and snide comment.

Also if you think "Jumping" is somehow going to make FFXIV into the best game ever and get millions of subscribers, I just can't say I share the same viewpoint.

[Jdog]

We are just going to have to agree to disagree, I respond to parts of a post that pertain to what I am saying, I don't like having a massive post just because I'm quoting someone elses paragraph, the quote function will lead people right to your post to read the whole thing if they are that concerned about the context of the message. I am speaking directly to you though, and you know the context of your message allready.

Considering you don't seem to think telling people to "Go play another game" is a insult I'll leave it there because you obviously don't think that was a rude and snide comment.

Also if you think "Jumping" is somehow going to make FFXIV into the best game ever and get millions of subscribers, I just can't say I share the same viewpoint.

That last sentence there was the words of a very ignorant person. Of course it would be 1 of many changes they would have to do....that goes without even saying..This is exactly what I'm talking about, no common sense.

[Jynx]

That last sentence there was the words of a very ignorant person. Of course it would be 1 of many changes they would have to do.

What if they didn't would the game be doomed?

[Wynn]

What if they didn't would the game be doomed?

One could easily flip that question around on you.

[irongripz]

What if they didn't would the game be doomed?

look at how many mmo review sites mentioned this in all of the bad reviews it got. its hard to spot it with all of the bad stuff said but just about every one mentioned. please don't ask for proof of this i don't need to start linking old reviews, that initially kept me from buying the game. not having it does not help its "fate"