As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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That is essentially what farm parties are meant to be. Not every group will skip certain mechanics nor should you necessarily expect the same efficiency of your static. Nonetheless, you should be able to clear consistently even if a few runs do wind up going south. Some people may need a brush up on mechanics, especially for older fights. Now I'd much rather take two minutes to revive strategies instead of screaming "are you retarded?" Was on the receiving end of that just the other night when I mucked up Sephirot EX. There's no benefit insulting someone as they've far less likely to adapt that way. On the other hand, if they keep making mistakes, then I'll likely bow out. Why? I signed up to farm not explain the whole fight or their job rotation. If they aren't that inexperienced, they shouldn't be on farm but seeking a learning or clear party.

[Feyona]

That is essentially what farm parties are meant to be. There's no benefit insulting someone as they've far less likely to adapt that way. On the other hand, if they keep making mistakes, then I'll likely bow out. Why? I signed up to farm not explain the whole fight or their job rotation. If they aren't that inexperienced, they shouldn't be on farm but seeking a learning or clear party.

well there you go. I guess people have their own subjective standards of what they call a farm, there is a bit of a grey area.Sub par dps seem to join alot of farm parties and i still mess up on thordan after doing it 99 times. Messing up is always a possibility, but if I dont heal party is dead, anyway. If i heal you will clear , not as quick but quicker than a wipe. Just to say I do dps but always depends on how well the rest of group performs.

[Lambdafish]

well there you go. I guess people have their own subjective standards of what they call a farm, there is a bit of a grey area.

As far as I have encounted in my 4 years of playing the game, this is not true at all. There is a pretty set standard of what constitutes farm, and the only one contesting it is you. Farm parties are there to clear the run as many times as they can within a limited time frame. People have lives, they want to get on with them without wiping on content that they have cleared many many times, that is why the definition of farm parties exist, so that you as a player know not to join the party if you do not intend to have that mentality. Sub par players will join farm parties, but they shouldn't, and that is when people start getting kicked, or parties start disbanding, when players with differing mentalities to what constitutes farm start joining.

If you don't like that then join a clear party, or a learning party, there is your slow paced challenge, I'm sure those players would appreciate the help.

I actually cant wait till you people get your special instance that you wont be able to clear in a week and who knows you nay even have to improve enough to do it without healer dps cos healing requirements may be higher. Then you may have to stop trying to force it on the rest of us all the time and improve your own class. It may take you months

This actually came across as bitter, nasty, and toxic. You talk about farm parties like it is a place for everyone (which they aren't, they are for people who are confident in the fight), yet you segregate the community by saying "you people" in an accusatory fashion, and lumping us all in the hardcore crowd that the hardcore savage raid tier is designed for. Please re-evaluate your tone, and keep discussion civil.

[Feyona]

I practically farm almost every day and the people that farm them are far from optimal. There may be an idea of what a farm is but that idea is not being manifested in almost all the farm parties Im in. Im not sure if what you state in that case excludes most of the player base. Because if everyone is expected to be optimal in them, farms would be very rare indeed. As for this issue of is my job to dps I find its being forced thats why every time healers post on here to the contrary its often put down. Even if some dont see it. As for my comments coming across as toxic, its just the truth as I see it. And I really dont like healer dps being forced or expected the word ' you' is a generalization not to be taken personally. But Ive seen alot more toxicity from others too on the subject

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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You are conflating two different expectations. No one should go into any pug group expecting optimal DPS. If it happens, count yourself lucky. There is, however, a difference between consistency and sloppiness. If you're struggling to clear the fight, had to explain mechanics repeated or certain just keep on dying, then you're not farming. Some groups will push through anyway, others will not. It's you who has to expect that because the community will not change.

[Feyona]

You are conflating two different expectations. No one should go into any pug group expecting optimal DPS. If it happens, count yourself lucky. There is, however, a difference between consistency and sloppiness.

Maybe your right but its really not black and white like that. In the farms I go in Everyone knows the tacts and we ask for no bonus, its usually the mechanics people mess up on which is something that can happen at any time, As well as the healer being blamed for not dpsing enough. but I wasn't refering to this in my original statement I was refering to the fact that sub par dps are expecting healers to carry them sufficiently to skip soar which dps should be able to acheive by themselves even with 70% of their potential. I hope that I get that point across sufficiently without having to explain it again.

[Lambdafish]

I was refering to the fact that sub par dps are expecting healers to carry them sufficiently to skip soar which dps should be able to acheive by themselves even with 70% of their potential. I hope that I get that point across sufficiently without having to explain it again.

I think the only person who has said that is you actually. The situation isn't you aiding sub-par DPS, the situation is that everyone should be DPS to their fullest in that first phase because it is a massive DPS gap (remember those? we talked about them, and you said that you struggled to identify them). There is no outgoing damage unless someone messes up, and DPSing hard enough nets you a phase skip. EVERYONE should have DPS on full.

Even if it were the case that DPS was lacking and the party couldn't skip soar, the sheer refusal to DPS as a healer, given the above statement is not valid in the slightest.