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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    I practically farm almost every day and the people that farm them are far from optimal. There may be an idea of what a farm is but that idea is not being manifested in almost all the farm parties Im in. Im not sure if what you state in that case excludes most of the player base. Because if everyone is expected to be optimal in them, farms would be very rare indeed. As for this issue of is my job to dps I find its being forced thats why every time healers post on here to the contrary its often put down. Even if some dont see it. As for my comments coming across as toxic, its just the truth as I see it. And I really dont like healer dps being forced or expected the word ' you' is a generalization not to be taken personally. But Ive seen alot more toxicity from others too on the subject
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feyona View Post
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    You are conflating two different expectations. No one should go into any pug group expecting optimal DPS. If it happens, count yourself lucky. There is, however, a difference between consistency and sloppiness. If you're struggling to clear the fight, had to explain mechanics repeated or certain just keep on dying, then you're not farming. Some groups will push through anyway, others will not. It's you who has to expect that because the community will not change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    You are conflating two different expectations. No one should go into any pug group expecting optimal DPS. If it happens, count yourself lucky. There is, however, a difference between consistency and sloppiness.
    Maybe your right but its really not black and white like that. In the farms I go in Everyone knows the tacts and we ask for no bonus, its usually the mechanics people mess up on which is something that can happen at any time, As well as the healer being blamed for not dpsing enough. but I wasn't refering to this in my original statement I was refering to the fact that sub par dps are expecting healers to carry them sufficiently to skip soar which dps should be able to acheive by themselves even with 70% of their potential. I hope that I get that point across sufficiently without having to explain it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feyona View Post
    I was refering to the fact that sub par dps are expecting healers to carry them sufficiently to skip soar which dps should be able to acheive by themselves even with 70% of their potential. I hope that I get that point across sufficiently without having to explain it again.
    I think the only person who has said that is you actually. The situation isn't you aiding sub-par DPS, the situation is that everyone should be DPS to their fullest in that first phase because it is a massive DPS gap (remember those? we talked about them, and you said that you struggled to identify them). There is no outgoing damage unless someone messes up, and DPSing hard enough nets you a phase skip. EVERYONE should have DPS on full.

    Even if it were the case that DPS was lacking and the party couldn't skip soar, the sheer refusal to DPS as a healer, given the above statement is not valid in the slightest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    I think the only person

    Even if it were the case that DPS was lacking and the party couldn't skip soar, the sheer refusal to DPS as a healer, given the above statement is not valid in the slightest.
    yes I said it and others have said it to me who have been booted or moaned at for not dpsing enough as a healer and you simply cant dismiss the facts because you may not like what Im saying by implying its only me that says it happens on here. I have never said it any of my 500 or so posts that Ive refused to dps only once when I said that id refuse if I needed to heal.
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