As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Feyona]

You do realise this exact same sentence applies to healers that don't feel like contributing in damage too, right?

Yes ofc so what is your point? Im actually saying that it doesnt matter if you skip all the skippable mechanics or not. It faster but there I dont expect anything except the clear with people that do their jobs . Oh I do actually expect dps to dps and healers to heal or there is no clear at all. What I dont expect all the time is it to be super fast.

[Blazinhart]

People who never played as a Healer, or think healer should "make up" for the incompetence of dps, have no Right to say What healers should ir shouldn't do.

[Feyona]

Eye time? I know when my fellow healer is in cleric stance blindfolded, it has a very distinctive sound upon activation, not to mention the red icon stands out a mile on combat text/buff bars as well.



Have you already forgotten the entire argument that constituted maybe 80 pages of this thread?

Skipping stuff makes or breaks the majority of pugs on significant chunks of the end game content (aka the current primal Zurvan, A12s and to a lesser extent, A11s, heck, I'd wager that a tiny portion of statics with A12S clears could consistently handle all the final phase mechanics up until enrage). So yes, it does matter. If you don't skip the big bad mechanic, a large portion of the player base simply won't be able to handle it. It really doesn't matter if you prefer it or not, that's just how it is.

why do you even think I have disputed what youve said about it? You just do it till you improve enough to clear it then dont you? And that is actually the entire premise of the game improving to clear harder and harder content as a team, but wasnt talking about savage where you quoted me. I actually cant wait till you prople get your special instance that you wont be able to clear in a week and who knows you nay even have to improve enough to do it without healer dps cos healing requirements may be higher. Then you may have to stop trying to force it on the rest of us all the time and improve your own class. It may take you months

[Sebazy]

but beats me why everything got to be skipped or rushed. I mean really games can be so boring if they are too easy I have most fun with abit of a challenge.

^ that.

Hurry up and finish your Savage progression, I want to see logs!

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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That is essentially what farm parties are meant to be. Not every group will skip certain mechanics nor should you necessarily expect the same efficiency of your static. Nonetheless, you should be able to clear consistently even if a few runs do wind up going south. Some people may need a brush up on mechanics, especially for older fights. Now I'd much rather take two minutes to revive strategies instead of screaming "are you retarded?" Was on the receiving end of that just the other night when I mucked up Sephirot EX. There's no benefit insulting someone as they've far less likely to adapt that way. On the other hand, if they keep making mistakes, then I'll likely bow out. Why? I signed up to farm not explain the whole fight or their job rotation. If they aren't that inexperienced, they shouldn't be on farm but seeking a learning or clear party.

[Kitfox]

You may prefer it but I feel you shoulnt be expecting it.

No offense, but you don't get to decide what people should or shouldn't expect. Spare me another 80 page ramble about the subject though. Some expectations will be met, others will not, and life goes on.

[Feyona]

That is essentially what farm parties are meant to be. There's no benefit insulting someone as they've far less likely to adapt that way. On the other hand, if they keep making mistakes, then I'll likely bow out. Why? I signed up to farm not explain the whole fight or their job rotation. If they aren't that inexperienced, they shouldn't be on farm but seeking a learning or clear party.

well there you go. I guess people have their own subjective standards of what they call a farm, there is a bit of a grey area.Sub par dps seem to join alot of farm parties and i still mess up on thordan after doing it 99 times. Messing up is always a possibility, but if I dont heal party is dead, anyway. If i heal you will clear , not as quick but quicker than a wipe. Just to say I do dps but always depends on how well the rest of group performs.

[Feyona]

No offense, but you don't get to decide what people should or shouldn't expect. Spare me another 80 page ramble about the subject though. Some expectations will be met, others will not, and life goes on.

Yes and thats exactly what Im saying so why do you get to say if I should dps or not? And if you dont want eighty pages then dont post such silly comments while quoting me

[Lambdafish]

well there you go. I guess people have their own subjective standards of what they call a farm, there is a bit of a grey area.

As far as I have encounted in my 4 years of playing the game, this is not true at all. There is a pretty set standard of what constitutes farm, and the only one contesting it is you. Farm parties are there to clear the run as many times as they can within a limited time frame. People have lives, they want to get on with them without wiping on content that they have cleared many many times, that is why the definition of farm parties exist, so that you as a player know not to join the party if you do not intend to have that mentality. Sub par players will join farm parties, but they shouldn't, and that is when people start getting kicked, or parties start disbanding, when players with differing mentalities to what constitutes farm start joining.

If you don't like that then join a clear party, or a learning party, there is your slow paced challenge, I'm sure those players would appreciate the help.

I actually cant wait till you people get your special instance that you wont be able to clear in a week and who knows you nay even have to improve enough to do it without healer dps cos healing requirements may be higher. Then you may have to stop trying to force it on the rest of us all the time and improve your own class. It may take you months

This actually came across as bitter, nasty, and toxic. You talk about farm parties like it is a place for everyone (which they aren't, they are for people who are confident in the fight), yet you segregate the community by saying "you people" in an accusatory fashion, and lumping us all in the hardcore crowd that the hardcore savage raid tier is designed for. Please re-evaluate your tone, and keep discussion civil.

[Feyona]

^ that.

Hurry up and finish your Savage progression, I want to see logs!

You wont see my logs cos they arnt posted in my static. Thank goodness cos Im kind of sick of logs being used to pull people to bits. Which actually could be done to anyone by those that are malicious enough to do so. So yes I like the fact thats its actually iagainst rules and pleased that gamers have a little bit of protection from people that enjoy hurting others. Although people like that do spoil it for others that would like the tool to monitor their own performance instead of making judgements about others