Please remove the weekly lock out of stuff

[Arkune]

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Again, also Raiders want Gear Progression thats why Ilevel worthing so much in todays MMORPGs. It is also not healthy for the Game to Keep Raiders on the tight leash in a way of Gear Progression, which this game does.
In my opinion Raiders are allowed to be "entitled gits" (taking your wording here), if its healthy for the community or not is another Story.

It is by far not "GOOD" to drive away the Raidersgroup from this Game because we have to Focus on the non-raiders here. If SE thinks that Cosmetics/Mounts and Titels are enough to Keep the Raiding Players in this Game then SE will be totally wrong on the Long road. Do i Need to mention the Ilevel 280 Diadem Weapons threads here?

At the end, its in SEs Hand to decide how to Build their Game.

While i get some of your Points, you basicly not seems to see my Points or want it to understand my Point of view. Thats why this discussion Ends for me here.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

Again, also Raiders want Gear Progression thats why Ilevel worthing so much in todays MMORPGs. It is also not healthy for the Game to Keep Raiders on the tight leash in a way of Gear Progression, which this game does.
In my opinion Raiders are allowed to be "entitled gits" (taking your wording here), if its healthy for the community or not is another Story.

It is by far not "GOOD" to drive away the Raidersgroup from this Game because we have to Focus on the non-raiders here. If SE thinks that Cosmetics/Mounts and Titels are enough to Keep the Raiding Players in this Game then SE will be totally wrong on the Long road. Do i Need to mention the Ilevel 280 Diadem Weapons threads here?

At the end, its in SEs Hand to decide how to Build their Game.

While i get some of your Points, you basicly not seems to see my Points or want it to understand my Point of view. Thats why this discussion Ends for me here.

Encouraging people to be "entitled gits" is never good for the game. And raiders aren't the only ones who want gear progression. That's kinda what I have been saying. EVERYONE wants gear progression... but not everyone wants to raid. Having ALTERNATIVE ways to get similar gear progression is GOOD for the game. Keeping gear progression locked behind only one type of content is definitively NOT GOOD for the game.

That's why FFXIV does as well as it does. Those who don't wish to engage in raid content can still progress their gear nearly as high as those that do raid. And its a fact that non-raiders outnumber raiders by far. I get your point of view... but its a "selfish" point of view. I say selfish because it comes from the perspective of a single segment of players (raiders) who want exclusivity. They don't want anyone who doesn't do what they do to have anywhere near the player power/gear progression they do. And that's just not healthy for the game overall because as I said in multiple posts, raider or not, EVERYONE is motivated by gear progression. That's why the small gear gap we currently have in FFXIV is a good thing. Fostering a sense of second-class citizenry does NOTHING GOOD for the game. Treating the vast majority of the player base (non-raiders) as "less than" just to make a much smaller number of players feel better about themselves is not only bad for the game, its stupid.

No one is "driving raiders from the game". Outside of being close to a new xpac and people taking breaks, I don't see raiders leaving in droves due to how gearing works in FFXIV. They have a small ilvl edge, unique glamours, unique mounts, unique titles, and bragging rights in regards to clearing the hard content. They are adequately rewarded already. I don't agree that engaging in difficult content is a free pass to being an entitled git and it certainly is NOT HEALTHY for the game in any case. I am curious though, why you think its not healthy to keep raiders "on a tight leash" as far as gear progression goes? That leash applies to pretty much everyone, not just raiders. Again, EVERYONE wants gear progression, not just raiders, and again it comes down to raiders feeling like they deserve oh so much more than they get even though they already DO get more than everyone else already.

If you've got an 8 inch dick and the other guy has a 7.8 inch dick, you're already bigger than the other guy. So why do you feel like you need a 9 inch dick?

[Arkune]

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Nice Bait.
To be honest, noone said that non-raiders shouldnt have Gear Progression, but in my opinion you are pretty new to MMORPGs. If you had experience over Years in the raiding Scene, otherwise you could answer the question in your last sentence by your own.

Why does People always wants to earn more Money? Because you never can have enough Money. Same goes for your kinky example about dicks. It is called Human nature. People always want MORE. Thats the reason why MMORPGs turned this way we have it now. Non-Raiders and Casual Gamers found this genre and enjoyed it, but they didnt wanted to spend so much time in a "Game" but they also payed their Monthly Subs. Sure every Company would do everything to earn Money. And all about losing Raiders and stuff is because of a break will remain as speculation by your side.

Themepark MMOs tend to have linear Gearprogression -> Ilevel over Ilevel over Ilevel, over and over and over. If it goes on Topic, i already said - Caps should be per Job and not Character. And with the "on the tight leash" i meant that 5ilevels are a joke for the time you have spend into the raid. All stays and falls with the rewards. Glamour/Mounts/Titels can be farmed later on, if the Content is old. Nerf happens, new max Level is added, etc.. etc..

Ill take another example for other situations: PvP, People did alot PvP to get their Rank up for the cool Looks, later on SE lifted the rank requirements for those PvP Sets, so everyone could buy that Items just for PvP Points w/o any ranks. Alot People flamed them for do so, same goes for the Anima Steps, reducing the Prices for the Anima weapons also isnt a healthy way for the Players they did the anima steps from the beginning.

So, i.e. i would absolutly follow your Point of View if the Mounts/Titel and Gear will be just obtainable aslong the Raid Content remains as relvant. Which means at the Moment when a new xpac Releases, there will be no rewards anymore for doin that raid, just an achievment for Clearing and the Storytelling.

And before you ask yourself, why do i see Things like this, for me it doesnt Count If i am the first one or last one who obtained Mount XYZ or Gear XYZ, aslong as These Items remain as "Rare" aslong as this Game exists.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

Nice Bait.

Wasn't bait... and your "opinion" of my experience with mmo raiding is inaccurate. I've been playing MMO's for nigh on 2 decades and raided for most of them. Just because I don't subscribe to the paradigm you foster doesn't mean I don't have experience in raiding or a keen understanding of how mmo's work or how player psychology works.

Raiders weren't leaving FFXIV in droves before Stomrblood, they aren't going to magically start now. Any decline in raiding at this stage is a decline in people playing overall due to the lull between xpacs. This is not new nor unique to FFXIV. Considering you imply having experience with MMO's you should know that to be true. All mmo's have a lull between xpacs and all suffer a loss in subs during this time. That's not speculation, that's the time proven fact of the mmo life cycle. With 20 years of mmo experience, including some experience in mmo development, I have a fairly good grasp of the design process, the goals and the player psychology.

Reducing the anima steps was a GREAT design decision. Why? Because as time goes on, making more content accessible encourages players to engage in that content they otherwise wouldn't. If you think the periodic nerfing of anima steps over time is a bad thing they you really have a poor grasp of mmo design, mmo's as a business, and the player psychology that these decisions are intended to exploit. You seem to suffer from the same issue many gamers do... you care far too much about what other people have, or get, or how easily they get it. I finished the umbrite stage before the nerf. Was I sore over the umbrite nerf? Nope. Why? Because it doesn't matter that the guys who came after me had an easier time. They are late to the party and I've moved on to other things while they are still working on an anima I finished ages ago. If they have an easier time, I say good on them! I'm glad you'll get to enjoy the same thing I am enjoying. That you get to enjoy with less effort is irrelevant because my sense of self worth is not predicated on comparing myself to others. And that right there is your problem.

Your sense of achievement is tied to how it compares to others. You're not appreciating just doing what your doing and getting what you're getting for the sake of doing or getting it. Something doesn't have to be exclusive to have value. So what if people can go back to do old content to get a mount or title? That ship sailed ages ago. It doesn't diminish your accomplishment doing that content when it was current. And if it makes you feel like it does, then maybe you still have some maturing to do. You said your accomplishments "don't count" if other people can do it/get it easier than you did. Ask yourself why you feel that way and really explore the answer. When you stop basing your self worth by comparing your accomplishments to others, you might find yourself enjoying games.... hell LIFE... a lot more.

SE benefits from people going back to do old content on their over-leveled/over-geared characters because it increases the return on the initial investment they made to create that content. Creating content is expensive in both time and money. The more use that content gets the more value SE sees from that investment. Removing the incentives to do that content (the mounts etc), goes entirely against SE's interests. SE doesn't give a flying fart in space about our egos or special snowflake syndrome. They care about getting a good return on their investment and that means appealing to as many players as possible. Times change and the paradigms of old have gone the way of the dinosaur. It's the age of accessibility and its not going away until a new age and a new paradigm comes along. You either adapt with the changing times or you get left behind. It was a hard lesson for me to learn too, particularly since I'm at the age where I'm fairly set in my ways and am resistant to change. :P

[Arkune]

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Again, i am not fully against your PoV. The funny part in our Discussion is that everyone has his own principle and i wont say that yours is wrong and for me, my PoV is as valid as yours. If it is true what you are writing with 2 decades, i can say i started Playing MMORPGs 18 Years ago, more then 10 Years Raiding so i would say we are nearly on the same experience.

I dont know if you want to understand me or my pov, or just find it fun to discuss about something which isnt really necassary to do, but ill give you an example out of my RL.

My GF working as Nurse she did the 3 Years education here in our Country. I did the 1 Years education as Nurse, we both work at the same Place, she is allowed to do more then i do, but our Monthly Gain is about 200€ difference and she has alot of more Work. I dont see me doin another 2 Years of School just because of 200€ lol. - to make it short, the benefits are not worth doin it. And thats the whole Point of my PoV incase of Ilevel and Raiding.

My Point of View is in no way "poor", its just the experience which Forms a Person and his personality.

If i want to be nearly equal to everyoneelse i would go and Play something like GW2 (dont know if its changed over time and with the Expansion) in Terms of MMOs and would go Play League of Legends/Dota or CS or Playerunknowns Battlegrounds etc, etc.

Other MMORPGs like WoW (which i am not a big fan from) also pushed the Raid community aswell give them an higher Ilevel, alot more Effects and Seteffects to the Gear and still Keep the non-raiders busy in case of Gear Progression. Before u argue that WoW losing Subs over and over. WoW is old and still be played by an wide audience of Players. I am pretty sure that if Blizzard would stop to melk the WoW Playerbase and would recreate a new Kind of WoW that XIV would suffer under it.

I like XIV in Terms of Storytelling and... thats it. i just came back a few weeks ago after a 2 Years "break" from the Game, it will end the same as it was in Heavensward, ill have my mainjob maxed out in SB withing a week, fully Geared couze of Hunts, will do the first Primals on ex and then ill afkshire all day Long.

But i can accept the fact, that this game isnt for me as old School MMO Player anymore. Ill just do what i enjoy (which is basicly the Story) and then i am out again and go Play anyhtingelse until a Gamedesigner come over and Show me a game which i can actually call Home again thats life

[Ririta]

My GF working as Nurse she did the 3 Years education here in our Country. I did the 1 Years education as Nurse, we both work at the same Place, she is allowed to do more then i do, but our Monthly Gain is about 200€ difference and she has alot of more Work. I dont see me doin another 2 Years of School just because of 200€ lol. - to make it short, the benefits are not worth doin it. And thats the whole Point of my PoV incase of Ilevel and Raiding.

My Point of View is in no way "poor", its just the experience which Forms a Person and his personality.

If you're at the point of comparing it to work, maybe it's time to admit that you people simply don't enjoy raiding.

[Arkune]

If you're at the point of comparing it to work, maybe it's time to admit that you people simply don't enjoy raiding.

If you would have followed the Conversation, you may have realize that we have different views in Terms of Raiding and Reward? Funny Thing is, sure i always compared MMORPGs to work, because not that Long ago MMORPGs for raiders actually felt like Work. You had a 40-50 hours Job and still had to put in another 20-30 Hours a week into a Game just to Gear you up over a Long period of time. This shorttime Rewards doesnt Appeal to my Raiderheart thats why i gave up on the Raiding Scene in Terms of Themepark MMORPGs.

There are just 3 Things in this Genre which i am Enjoy.
1) Story
2) Prepare for Endgame
3) Do Endgame