Please remove the weekly lock out of stuff

[bswpayton]

The content you engage in is irrelevant. Better gear means making whatever content you engage in easier and makes the player feel more powerful. Then you have to consider that

But I didn't exactly know we where in competition with each other in a pve setting, so I dont see how it would matter if someone on your team had better gear than you if your working together. I just dont understand whats wrong with being rewarded the best for being the best at content, in many aspects of life thats the case. Im a mid core player I dont farm frequently but I try my best to give any content in the game a chance, but I dont expect the best gear in the game if I dont go out and try and get it tho. Im fine with mid level or second best gear , for not being as good as hardcore raiders and streamers, they put in more work so therefor they deserve better gear.

If all I did was dungeons then I dont need the best gear to be good in a dungeon its not required, its just a want but not something I have to have nor other players. You just simply do not need the best gear in the game to do the easiest content in the game and you can still feel powerful with second best. I mention before in the forums my first dungeon run of shom al hard I had lore gear on was ilvl 235 or maybe 240. Basically I could do the same stuff and same pulls at ilvl 235 as I can now at ilvl 265, the only difference is I have more hp as a tank and that's about its just an illusion that people feel like they need the best to not even do content that requires the best the difference is so minimal.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

But I didn't exactly know we where in competition with each other in a pve setting, so I dont see how it would matter if someone on your team had better gear than you if your working together. I just dont understand whats wrong with being rewarded the best for being the best at content, in many aspects of life thats the case. Im a mid core player I dont farm frequently but I try my best to give any content in the game a chance, but I dont expect the best gear in the game if I dont go out and try and get it tho. Im fine with mid level or second best gear , for not being as good as hardcore raiders and streamers, they put in more work so therefor they deserve better gear.

If all I did was dungeons then I dont need the best gear to be good in a dungeon its not required, its just a want but not something I have to have nor other players. You just simply do not need the best gear in the game to do the easiest content in the game and you can still feel powerful with second best. I mention before in the forums my first dungeon run of shom al hard I had lore gear on was ilvl 235 or maybe 240. Basically I could do the same stuff and same pulls at ilvl 235 as I can now at ilvl 265, the only difference is I have more hp as a tank and that's about its just an illusion that people feel like they need the best to not even do content that requires the best the difference is so minimal.

The "best" does not exist in a vacuum. The "best" gear is useable in content other than the "most difficult".

I know its a hard concept to accept after years of having it be a certain way in other games, but the "best" gear does not have to come from the "most difficult" content. There can be other rewards for doing the "most difficult" content. SE has chosen to keep the level of player power achievable fairly level for everyone regardless of the content they engage in which is a GOOD thing in my opinion. It keeps the gap in player power relatively small regardless of the content engaged in which has benefits. Players who do non-raid content exclusively but then decide to dip their toe into the raiding waters aren't so laughably undergeared that no one would have them. It also benefits raiders by not having gear as an obstacle to recruitment when members of their static invariably suffer burn out or have to stop raiding due to RL reasons.

What you "need" as far as content goes isn't relevant. I keep saying that but I don't think you or many other people get it. It doesn't matter what you "need". Player power is one of the primary motivators to play the game. SE has a vested interest in people playing the game. There is nothing gained by keeping the heights of player power exclusive to players who engage in in only one certain type of content, and there are definitive benefits to doing the opposite and allowing players a variety of ways to earn similar gear and advance their characters REGARDLESS of what content they engage in.

The reward for raiding in FFXIV is not "the best gear". Many people struggle with that concept, I know. But rather the reward for raiding in FFXIV are exclusive appearances from raid gear, getting "the best gear" much faster than those who don't raid, unique mounts, titles, and the satisfaction of completing that content. Why does raiding have to reward more than that? I have yet to see anyone answer this question.

[bswpayton]

The "best" does not exist in a vacuum. The "best" gear is useable in content other than the "most difficult".

But you are acting like the gap is so outstanding tho you and other people seem to think that, someone suggested what raid gear should of been 275 and shire gear should of been 270. Thats not even a huge gap at all, I could see if non raid gear in storm blood was 300 and raid gear was 340 just throwing out numbers here now thats something to complain about. But five or ten ilvls higher for doing higher level content isnt even an issue to want the exact same thing is greed and entitlement imo.

If someone got mad at a five ilvl gap then they simply just dont know what it means to be a winner are to be the best at something. Raiders would not turn someone away if someone had max non raid gear that was only five ilvls lower than them wearing raid gear. Perfect example would be being geared in all dun scathe gear and Ive done some raids and nobody is kicking anyone for not having the same gear as them. You would have an argument if the gap was 15 to 20 ilvls higher for raiders now that would be wrong, but a mere five ilvls wouldn't really matter and it would reward those whom deserve it for putting in the work.

[Skivvy]

I don't think the conversation regarding what level of gear each specific content drops fits in this thread. I know it kind of devolved into that (as conversations tend to do), but this thread is regarding the lockouts and tomes caps. :X

It kind of jumped from stating casual players don't need higher gear and so therefore the tomes cap is OK (grossly oversimplifying here) to debating whether or not we all need i275.

[MomomiMomi]

Very few people abruptly change jobs during progression, especially as statics often try to build around what you're previously selected. How often does say, a Dragoon decide, "I want to go Bard" three weeks into Savage? A good number of statics would flatout kick you if you insist because they'll now have three ranged and you already agreed to play a melee. Even were that scenario to occur, it's not like you cannot obtain enough gear to make it work. A9/A10 were easily pug-able this tier. If you wanted to swap jobs, get some accessories and maybe something on your left side. If that still isn't enough, sorry but... plan ahead next time. You don't go into Savage level content thinking "I'll play and gear whatever. Everyone'll be okay with that!"

What you're asking is to design a system around people being indecisive. You have four weeks before you can even buy something with pages; six if it's anything except accessories. If you can't commit to one job by that point, it isn't the game's fault. Regardless, this still brings us back to if you can farm everything from the onset, you take away any incentive to keep playing later on. And as I already mentioned above, unlocking tomestones destroys most alternative gearing methods.

What you're describing is a symptom of how the game currently works and is exactly what I'm talking about is the problem with how it currently works.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

But you are acting like the gap is so outstanding tho you and other people seem to think that, someone suggested what raid gear should of been 275 and shire gear should of been 270. Thats not even a huge gap at all, I could see if non raid gear in storm blood was 300 and raid gear was 340 just throwing out numbers here now thats something to complain about. But five or ten ilvls higher for doing higher level content isnt even an issue to want the exact same thing is greed and entitlement imo.

If someone got mad at a five ilvl gap then they simply just dont know what it means to be a winner are to be the best at something. Raiders would not turn someone away if someone had max non raid gear that was only five ilvls lower than them wearing raid gear. Perfect example would be being geared in all dun scathe gear and Ive done some raids and nobody is kicking anyone for not having the same gear as them. You would have an argument if the gap was 15 to 20 ilvls higher for raiders now that would be wrong, but a mere five ilvls wouldn't really matter and it would reward those whom deserve it for putting in the work.

You still haven't said WHY the raid gear needs to be higher ilvl than non-raid gear. I'm not acting like that suggested gap is outstanding. You're making an assumption there. Simply put... there is NO NEED FOR, nor any benefit from, a gap at all, large or small.

If that 5 ilvl gap isn't such a big deal, then why ask for it at all? You're saying non-raiders shouldn't get mad at a 5 ilvl gap in gear... I'm saying raiders shouldn't get mad at a 0 gap ilvl in gear. Your argument works just as well against your point as it does for it, making it a poor argument in the first place.

My argument isn't about how big the gap is, but rather that there is no need for a gap at all. There is no benefit to having raiders be the "haves" and the non-raiders being the "have nots" when it comes to player power, one of the primary motivators to play in the first place. But there are quantifiable benefits from doing the opposite and SE Seems to agree.

Those raiders "putting in the work" are already rewarded as I've previously mentioned and you've still managed to ignore. They get rewarded with gear FASTER, they get rewarded with unique appearances to their gear, they get rewarded with unique titles, they get rewarded with unique mounts, they get rewarded with the satisfaction of beating the hard content. Why do they need even more reward on top of all of that? Please give me an answer to that.

[technole]

You still haven't said WHY the raid gear needs to be higher ilvl than non-raid gear. I'm not acting like that suggested gap is outstanding. You're making an assumption there. Simply put... there is NO NEED FOR, nor any benefit from, a gap at all, large or small.

It's a done deal. Starting with Midas Savage, YoshiP made a point that the raid capstone weapon will always be the highest ilvl, to keep the incentives for Savage raiding.

A8S weapon was i245, the anima only went up to i240 that tier.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

It's a done deal. Starting with Midas Savage, YoshiP made a point that the raid capstone weapon will always be the highest ilvl, to keep the incentives for Savage raiding.

A8S weapon was i245, the anima only went up to i240 that tier.

I get that little disparities like that exist. I am not arguing to change how things work currently. I am simply arguing against people who say that tomestone gear shouldnt be as good (or as high ilvl) as it is in relation to raid gear. The smaller the gap in player power the better, something SE seems to agree with based on how gear availability has been designed.

But somehow, even with what disparity exists, there are people out there who think that's not enough. That those "poor raiders" apparently "work so hard" and aren't "compensated fairly" for their efforts and those "filithy non-raiders" don't "deserve" gear as high ilvl as what raiders should get.

I'm also of the mind that NO GAP AT ALL would be fine as well because raiding rewards in ways other than ilvl.

[technole]

I get that little disparities like that exist. I am not arguing to change how things work currently. I am simply arguing against people who say that tomestone gear shouldnt be as good (or as high ilvl) as it is in relation to raid gear. The smaller the gap in player power the better, something SE seems to agree with based on how gear availability has been designed.

Tomestone weapons should never be equal to a raid capstone weapon. The only time that happened was in Gordias Savage because they made a mistake of putting the i210 gobdip upgrade in A4S along with a Gordian i210 weapon drop. Then they made it a bit of a mess later of having the anima go up to i210 that tier, that killed a lot of incentive to push through Gordias for those that didn't already. So if you didn't do an anima all-the-way or clear A4S, the highest you could go was Tome i200 weapon or a Thordan EX i205 weapon.

Hence the change in Midas to +5 ilvl and adding an i245 exclusive weapon, and moving the Gobdip to the 3rd turn. This also allowed them to release the Gobdip in the very last patch cycle with the 24-man weekly. So i240 was available to anima and Eso weapon users, and i245 only to those who clear A8S.

Mind you, that doesn't even mean i245 is even "freely" available because it's loot RNG with each weekly clear, so only one weapon/week. If you are unlucky, you have to spend 8 weeks of pages to buy your own.

[Skivvy]

You all should start a separate thread regarding ilvl. :3 Totally different topic that is now taking over this thread.