Please remove the weekly lock out of stuff

[bswpayton]

The "best" does not exist in a vacuum. The "best" gear is useable in content other than the "most difficult".

But you are acting like the gap is so outstanding tho you and other people seem to think that, someone suggested what raid gear should of been 275 and shire gear should of been 270. Thats not even a huge gap at all, I could see if non raid gear in storm blood was 300 and raid gear was 340 just throwing out numbers here now thats something to complain about. But five or ten ilvls higher for doing higher level content isnt even an issue to want the exact same thing is greed and entitlement imo.

If someone got mad at a five ilvl gap then they simply just dont know what it means to be a winner are to be the best at something. Raiders would not turn someone away if someone had max non raid gear that was only five ilvls lower than them wearing raid gear. Perfect example would be being geared in all dun scathe gear and Ive done some raids and nobody is kicking anyone for not having the same gear as them. You would have an argument if the gap was 15 to 20 ilvls higher for raiders now that would be wrong, but a mere five ilvls wouldn't really matter and it would reward those whom deserve it for putting in the work.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

But you are acting like the gap is so outstanding tho you and other people seem to think that, someone suggested what raid gear should of been 275 and shire gear should of been 270. Thats not even a huge gap at all, I could see if non raid gear in storm blood was 300 and raid gear was 340 just throwing out numbers here now thats something to complain about. But five or ten ilvls higher for doing higher level content isnt even an issue to want the exact same thing is greed and entitlement imo.

If someone got mad at a five ilvl gap then they simply just dont know what it means to be a winner are to be the best at something. Raiders would not turn someone away if someone had max non raid gear that was only five ilvls lower than them wearing raid gear. Perfect example would be being geared in all dun scathe gear and Ive done some raids and nobody is kicking anyone for not having the same gear as them. You would have an argument if the gap was 15 to 20 ilvls higher for raiders now that would be wrong, but a mere five ilvls wouldn't really matter and it would reward those whom deserve it for putting in the work.

You still haven't said WHY the raid gear needs to be higher ilvl than non-raid gear. I'm not acting like that suggested gap is outstanding. You're making an assumption there. Simply put... there is NO NEED FOR, nor any benefit from, a gap at all, large or small.

If that 5 ilvl gap isn't such a big deal, then why ask for it at all? You're saying non-raiders shouldn't get mad at a 5 ilvl gap in gear... I'm saying raiders shouldn't get mad at a 0 gap ilvl in gear. Your argument works just as well against your point as it does for it, making it a poor argument in the first place.

My argument isn't about how big the gap is, but rather that there is no need for a gap at all. There is no benefit to having raiders be the "haves" and the non-raiders being the "have nots" when it comes to player power, one of the primary motivators to play in the first place. But there are quantifiable benefits from doing the opposite and SE Seems to agree.

Those raiders "putting in the work" are already rewarded as I've previously mentioned and you've still managed to ignore. They get rewarded with gear FASTER, they get rewarded with unique appearances to their gear, they get rewarded with unique titles, they get rewarded with unique mounts, they get rewarded with the satisfaction of beating the hard content. Why do they need even more reward on top of all of that? Please give me an answer to that.

[technole]

You still haven't said WHY the raid gear needs to be higher ilvl than non-raid gear. I'm not acting like that suggested gap is outstanding. You're making an assumption there. Simply put... there is NO NEED FOR, nor any benefit from, a gap at all, large or small.

It's a done deal. Starting with Midas Savage, YoshiP made a point that the raid capstone weapon will always be the highest ilvl, to keep the incentives for Savage raiding.

A8S weapon was i245, the anima only went up to i240 that tier.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

It's a done deal. Starting with Midas Savage, YoshiP made a point that the raid capstone weapon will always be the highest ilvl, to keep the incentives for Savage raiding.

A8S weapon was i245, the anima only went up to i240 that tier.

I get that little disparities like that exist. I am not arguing to change how things work currently. I am simply arguing against people who say that tomestone gear shouldnt be as good (or as high ilvl) as it is in relation to raid gear. The smaller the gap in player power the better, something SE seems to agree with based on how gear availability has been designed.

But somehow, even with what disparity exists, there are people out there who think that's not enough. That those "poor raiders" apparently "work so hard" and aren't "compensated fairly" for their efforts and those "filithy non-raiders" don't "deserve" gear as high ilvl as what raiders should get.

I'm also of the mind that NO GAP AT ALL would be fine as well because raiding rewards in ways other than ilvl.

[technole]

I get that little disparities like that exist. I am not arguing to change how things work currently. I am simply arguing against people who say that tomestone gear shouldnt be as good (or as high ilvl) as it is in relation to raid gear. The smaller the gap in player power the better, something SE seems to agree with based on how gear availability has been designed.

Tomestone weapons should never be equal to a raid capstone weapon. The only time that happened was in Gordias Savage because they made a mistake of putting the i210 gobdip upgrade in A4S along with a Gordian i210 weapon drop. Then they made it a bit of a mess later of having the anima go up to i210 that tier, that killed a lot of incentive to push through Gordias for those that didn't already. So if you didn't do an anima all-the-way or clear A4S, the highest you could go was Tome i200 weapon or a Thordan EX i205 weapon.

Hence the change in Midas to +5 ilvl and adding an i245 exclusive weapon, and moving the Gobdip to the 3rd turn. This also allowed them to release the Gobdip in the very last patch cycle with the 24-man weekly. So i240 was available to anima and Eso weapon users, and i245 only to those who clear A8S.

Mind you, that doesn't even mean i245 is even "freely" available because it's loot RNG with each weekly clear, so only one weapon/week. If you are unlucky, you have to spend 8 weeks of pages to buy your own.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

Tomestone weapons should never be equal to a raid capstone weapon. The only time that happened was in Gordias Savage because they made a mistake of putting the i210 gobdip upgrade in A4S along with a Gordian i210 weapon drop. Then they made it a bit of a mess later of having the anima go up to i210 that tier, that killed a lot of incentive to push through Gordias for those that didn't already. So if you didn't do an anima all-the-way or clear A4S, the highest you could go was Tome i200 weapon or a Thordan EX i205 weapon.

Hence the change in Midas to +5 ilvl and adding an i245 exclusive weapon, and moving the Gobdip to the 3rd turn. This also allowed them to release the Gobdip in the very last patch cycle with the 24-man weekly. So i240 was available to anima and Eso weapon users, and i245 only to those who clear A8S.

Mind you, that doesn't even mean i245 is even "freely" available because it's loot RNG with each weekly clear, so only one weapon/week. If you are unlucky, you have to spend 8 weeks of pages to buy your own.

As you pointed out, RNG does play a role in raid gear. So it baffles me when people suggest that tomestone gear needs to be significantly lower in ilvl in relation to raid gear, when raiders themselves can benefit from tomestone gear when the rng doesn't favor them. You also touch on a significant factor of raiding. Incentive. While raiders have a number of incentives to raid, ilvl seems to be the only one given much credence... and apparently a 5 ilvl advantage isn't enough for many raider's egos.

It's still related, some people (mainly those who don't raid alex savage) are just a bit soar that the i270 gobdip upgrade is not freely available to the casual raid and Dun Scaith gear is still locked to a weekly drop.

You can get a i270-275 by doing an anima, learn to clear A11S for a gobdip like all of us did early-on, or even A12S for a i275. Look they can't give away everything on a silver platter, you have to work for this stuff until likely patch 3.57.

Some raiders threw a hissy fit over the anima being able to get to 275 if I recall.

[technole]

As you pointed out, RNG does play a role in raid gear. So it baffles me when people suggest that tomestone gear needs to be significantly lower in ilvl in relation to raid gear, when raiders themselves can benefit from tomestone gear when the rng doesn't favor them. You also touch on a significant factor of raiding. Incentive. While raiders have a number of incentives to raid, ilvl seems to be the only one given much credence... and apparently a 5 ilvl advantage isn't enough for many raider's egos.

Well you get the tomestone in A10S, so the i260 is available without waiting what was it, seven weeks for one (just need the 2+ weeks of scripture to buy it). Then clearing A11S in the first month for the i270 gobdip upgrade, which is also once a week, and usually goes to the DPS first. Or spend 4-weeks of A11S pages to buy one for ourselves.

I didn't need it to clear A12S, my i260 anima was just fine at the time. ilvl incentive for raiders makes things easier to clear, and generally there is a sense of competitiveness with even midcore raiding. People like to speed things up and post better numbers weekly. Weekly Savage clears aren't always one-shot either, mistakes happen so more ilvl helps.

Some raiders threw a hissy fit over the anima being able to get to 275 if I recall.

Some. I don't mind because we had over 5+ months of i275 exclusivity with A12S until they added the anima step, and it's the end of the expansion. Second, many raiders desire the most optimal stats since not every Alex 275 was "perfect". Animas have allowed the fastest Alex Savage clears to-date, and kept the small speed running population going.