Why are bad hunt behavior rewarded?

[Nixxe]

If you go out and find the hunt target and then kill it without ever announcing it to the rest of the world, then that is fine. A bit selfish not to share, but no big deal.
If, however, you do announce it to the server in general then you do have a moral obligation to wait a while so all the people you just announced it to have a chance to get there.

That's really silly. I've had S ranks go 10 minutes with a large crowd in front of them and not get pulled. As miraculous as that was, there were still people showing up after it had finally died. It's absurd to think that sharing a hunt location obligates you to wait for every Tom, Dick, and Harry who is super duper all about killing that S rank, but only after they finished their daily itinerary or whatever else it is those slowpokes do before heading out. I don't support early pulling, but people aren't entitled to the mob and it's not fair to keep everyone waiting an inordinate amount of time just because you either don't bother to put yourself in a good situation to find out about hunt mobs early or because you simply don't care enough about everyone else's time to stop wasting it. If you want to make it to hunt mobs, then make it your priority. Drop what you're doing and get there. If it dies before you get there, tough, be faster next time. Join a linkshell, help spawn it, whatever. I sympathize with people who are frustrated that things get pulled within 2 minutes of initial discovery up until the point they start trying to guilt trip, castigate, or otherwise cop an attitude towards me or others for not wasting our time waiting for them after we already spent our time spawning or discovering the mob in the first place. If I find a hunt, I'm sharing it with my linkshells and party first and shout second. I'll wait five minutes or so, a bit longer if there's still signs of life. If you don't get there in that time frame, you only have yourself to blame. There's always next time.

[DamianFatale]

It absolutely sickens me that people encourage discourteous behavior.

[Vidu]

It absolutely sickens me that people encourage discourteous behavior.

Which one do you consider discourteous though? Demanding that people are waiting 10 minutes for you to get your ass over there because you wanted to finish something else first and getting upset when they dont?
Or people pulling and killing a huntmob they've found or even put the effort in to spawn without waiting for everyone and their mother to get there?

[Settiesama]

It absolutely sickens me that people encourage discourteous behavior.

You're right, I too am sickened by the amount of people encouraging others to expect a free ride to rewards.

[Naunet]

You're right, I too am sickened by the amount of people encouraging others to expect a free ride to rewards.

Can you please stop characterizing someone who sees an alert for a boss and goes to help kill it as "expecting a free ride"? It's unnecessarily antagonistic, especially when helping to kill the boss by definition is contributing to the effort of obtaining rewards. This is a video game - not some high-stakes political debate about the nature of society.

[Settiesama]

Can you please stop characterizing someone who sees an alert for a boss and goes to help kill it as "expecting a free ride"? It's unnecessarily antagonistic, especially when helping to kill the boss by definition is contributing to the effort of obtaining rewards. This is a video game - not some high-stakes political debate about the nature of society.

If they weren't in the zone, they weren't hunting. The group that gathered first could easily kill the Hunts, they were never hard enough to need more than 8 people. That is expecting a free ride because they didn't work on getting the Hunt in the first place, they were not hunting. They antagonise themselves by shouting with mockery and insults. The ones that accept they didn't get it, and go back to whatever they were doing before, good on them for understanding, but those who have to try and put shame on the group killing the Hunt, I will not back down my stance on, and those who are trying to encourage it are just as bad.

I've tried the waiting game, and no matter how long I waited, I was still a villain to those people who wanted to join in from other zones. As I said before, as the finders of the Hunt/the pullers, you can't win, you're a bad person no matter what you do according to those who can't even be bothered to join in the actual hunting session.

[Naunet]

As I said before, as the finders of the Hunt/the pullers, you can't win, you're a bad person no matter what you do according to those who can't even be bothered to join in the actual hunting session.

I've also stated that my experience has been exactly the opposite of yours. There is no need to demonize people.

[MomomiMomi]

I've also stated that my experience has been exactly the opposite of yours. There is no need to demonize people.

Then clearly they're not demonizing the people you are talking about. They're talking about a different set of people. And yes, there are plenty of people who are like that. It gets far worse when hunts are popular content.

[Nixxe]

If they weren't in the zone, they weren't hunting. The group that gathered first could easily kill the Hunts, they were never hard enough to need more than 8 people. That is expecting a free ride because they didn't work on getting the Hunt in the first place, they were not hunting. They antagonise themselves by shouting with mockery and insults. The ones that accept they didn't get it, and go back to whatever they were doing before, good on them for understanding, but those who have to try and put shame on the group killing the Hunt, I will not back down my stance on, and those who are trying to encourage it are just as bad.

I've tried the waiting game, and no matter how long I waited, I was still a villain to those people who wanted to join in from other zones. As I said before, as the finders of the Hunt/the pullers, you can't win, you're a bad person no matter what you do according to those who can't even be bothered to join in the actual hunting session.

Are you a total rookie? It's very normal for people in scouting parties to split up and take different zones because a full party in a single zone is generally a waste. To claim that if they weren't in the zone, they weren't hunting is utterly laughable and reflects a total lack of even the most basic hunt knowledge.

[Settiesama]

Are you a total rookie? It's very normal for people in scouting parties to split up and take different zones because a full party in a single zone is generally a waste. To claim that if they weren't in the zone, they weren't hunting is utterly laughable and reflects a total lack of even the most basic hunt knowledge.

Next you're gonna say people who're actively hunting won't have any idea what and when things will spawn or are spawnable. You may of missed my earlier posts speaking of spreading out to find hunts also, and that it's people who expect you to wait even longer than gathering up your own party that is the problem I'm speaking of.

Edit: As for other people who're hunting in other zones, sucks for them at the time of it. If they still can't get there in time, then I'd expect the same thing if they found one before we got there, tough luck on my group, we don't care though, there are more out there. As hunters, you learn when things died, and when things will be open to spawn again to make sure you're in the certain areas at the right time, hell, fairly sure there are timer websites for it too.