Why are bad hunt behavior rewarded?

[JunseiKei]

Open world content is perfectly fine. An expectancy to do absolutely nothing and still get the rewards is not. We need more open world content, and less laziness. It's things like this that makes me wish mobs were claimed like in XI

To be honest, I'm glad they did away with that. While I suppose it sucks for hunts, it doesn't suck for things like expansion, when the game is more populated and everyone is killing the same mobs for the same quest. It makes FFXIV's design choice so much better.

Which is easily solved by making it instanced. You start the instance, do the work, get the reward. And everyone else can start their own instance, do the same work and get the same reward in turn. Whoop-dee-doo, fairness. Can't leech either unless the people you're playing with are okay with that.

You're just feeding more reasons why it shouldn't be a thing. Keep rambling if you like, but everything you say just hurts your own point.

Game becomes completely hub based, not too dissimilar to Monster Hunter and Phantasy Star. While some might like that, I'm equally glad this wasn't done. There are just so many places that you can visit without having to choose a mission to visit there. Not to mention this massively kills socialization.

If people are seriously so bent out of shape about hunts and the rewards, go use the hunting board. Seals for doing guaranteed mobs at your own pace every day, as well as weekly, without having to worry about other people. Or simply do the other methods of getting the things you want. Not that much is gated only behind hunting seals.

[MistakeNot]

Waiting should not even be expected. If you want to hunt, go out and find them, that is the whole point of Hunting. Waiting on people to leech off is the absolute worst, those are the people I think so much less of.

If you go out and find the hunt target and then kill it without ever announcing it to the rest of the world, then that is fine. A bit selfish not to share, but no big deal.
If, however, you do announce it to the server in general then you do have a moral obligation to wait a while so all the people you just announced it to have a chance to get there.

[Settiesama]

If you go out and find the hunt target and then kill it without ever announcing it to the rest of the world, then that is fine. A bit selfish not to share, but no big deal.
If, however, you do announce it to the server in general then you do have a moral obligation to wait a while so all the people you just announced it to have a chance to get there.

I used to shout and wait 3-5 minute tops, as that was plenty of time for those in the general area. However, after shouting it, those who received the shout would relay it in LS, FC etc. then we got the people zoning in, instantly complaining that it was dead before their loading screen ended, most of which was actually abusive and insulting. Now I have given up shouting entirely and keep it only to the party I am in.

The problem here is that yes, if you shout you have an obligation to wait for people in the area, however you are not liable for waiting on those not even in the vicinity and should not be yelled out for pulling after those who were actually near and hunting arrived.

Edit: Also if you find the hunt first, and while waiting for your party to gather, someone else finds and shouts it out, you are not obligated to wait.

[Claviusnex]

... I've often seen people post a "pulling at ____" start time, which is plenty courteous as it gives those who want to get there a known time limit.

I like that idea. If I am in an area it gives me an idea if I have a chance to make it to the fight or to just keep doing what I'm doing. I look at hunts when I'm out on my own as an added bonus if I can make it but no big deal if I don't. Given how the bosses spawn I think it is common courtesy to let folks now the boss is there and to allow them some time to get on site. Conversely folks trying to make it to the fight are owed no special treatment just because they need a bit more time to get there.

[Asuras]

Interesting clash of ethics. Firstly, you have the consequentialists reviewing the outcome: "Regardless of the rules the outcome is unfavorable. Pulling early causes grief." Secondly, you have the deontologists who review only the rules: "As long as you follow the rules, the outcome is irrelevant. Pulling early is within the rules."

Should we differentiate between what is good and what is right or are they one and the same?

[Settiesama]

Interesting clash of ethics. Firstly, you have the consequentialists reviewing the outcome: "Regardless of the rules the outcome is unfavorable. Pulling early causes grief." Secondly, you have the deontologists who review only the rules: "As long as you follow the rules, the outcome is irrelevant. Pulling early is within the rules."

Should we differentiate between what is good and what is right or are they one and the same?

You missed the third group, those of us who don't actually care that it is within the rules, but instead feel insulted by hunting a mob, gathering our group to kill, only to be expected to wait before killing, continuously wait, and then called out with abuse by those who weren't hunting in the first place for early pulling, even if 15-20 minutes has passed.

[Asuras]

You missed the third group, those of us who don't actually care that it is within the rules, but instead feel insulted by hunting a mob, gathering our group to kill, only to be expected to wait before killing, continuously wait, and then called out with abuse by those who weren't hunting in the first place for early pulling, even if 15-20 minutes has passed.

The innocent "virtuous man (or woman)". Third group.

[Settiesama]

No matter what the case, no matter how long you wait. If you pull, you're considered to be pulling early. As the group who finds it, you can't win with people, because you're considered selfish and grievers. I'm sorry, but I view it the other way. The ones grieving are the abusive shouters who come in from other zones, the selfish ones are the people expecting to have rights to the rewards the Hunt gives without doing the actual purpose of the content, hunting.

[Paladinleeds]

I really want there to be open pvp to kill this people.

You add forced open PvP, and I quit the game no questions asked. I've had zero interest in PvP for over 10 years... if there were new PvP realms added I'd be OK with that, but making existing realms open PvP (except for battlegrounds like Seal Rock), nope, that's me out, and no regrets.

[Kosmos992k]

Waiting should not even be expected. If you want to hunt, go out and find them, that is the whole point of Hunting. Waiting on people to leech off is the absolute worst, those are the people I think so much less of.

::applause::

Agreed, Hunts are about getting about and finding things, then killing them. It's not a welfare program designed to provide extra seals for low effort players.