Do Something About Duty Finder Already

[CassandraJean]

I pug a lot of dungeons... I mean a lot! ;_; (somewhere between the 5,000 and 10,000 dungeon achievements) and honestly I haven't run into that many players who were so bad that it upset me. I mean, it does happen sometimes, but in most cases, unless someone's mistakes are glaringly and terribly obvious (usually a tank since they are the ones I'm focused on), I don't pay them much mind. I just focus on my thing. I'm not sure if the Duty Finder needs to be revamped. Usually what bugs me more in a dungeon is when someone is rude rather than not a great player.

But I do think that they should continue to expand on the Hall of Novice. It's a great start but they should add courses specific to classes/jobs to teach them their skills.

[Kallera]

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A lot of people use this to explain someone not playing correctly. but there are also parties where the wrong strategy is used or, despite you being the tank in one situation, you are called to do another (the off tank/main tanl dilemma) are you supposed to go through learn the fight twice, or join the pf and hope that the other tank knows the job you don't? because most pfs don't appreciate someone making an honest go of it.

[Caitlyn]

Not even partaking in Zurvan ex due to the "Skip Soar" and "know mechanics" stuff. I'm honestly sick of the choice of either spoiling myself or dealing with wierd symbols that suddenly kill me without proper direction.

"A11S Farmparty. Bring good DPS. Skip Lapis"

But I do think that they should continue to expand on the Hall of Novice. It's a great start but they should add courses specific to classes/jobs to teach them their skills.

Ehhh... actually, the expansion of the Hall of Novice are normal Dungeons like Sastasha or so. If you expand Hall of Novice to the very end, why should you do dungeons anyway?

[LalaRu]

And the result is: More and more skilled players do not join DF and PF groups and the players who are left over are not able to clear that content at all, even these, who would be able to do it...

I think skilled players that were queuing before will continue do so, because they are there for the bonuses rather than redo some piece of content they already know. If meet with leafs is an annoyance, it is the price to pay for bonuses.

As long as everyday I see countless threads about how duties are facerolls and healers can just go cleric fulltime, I'm quite sure those "leftovers" will complete them anyway.

[Kallera]

"A11S Farmparty. Bring good DPS. Skip Lapis"

Ehhh... actually, the expansion of the Hall of Novice are normal Dungeons like Sastasha or so. If you expand Hall of Novice to the very end, why should you do dungeons anyway?

This raises a point actually, why instruct the player to look for things on the ground and react accordingly in hall of novice if later you are going to take them away or have them arrive too late for them to react?

[Driavna]

I think skilled players that were queuing before will continue do so, because they are there for the bonuses rather than redo some piece of content they already know. If meet with leafs is an annoyance, it is the price to pay for bonuses.

As long as everyday I see countless threads about how duties are facerolls and healers can just go cleric fulltime, I'm quite sure those "leftovers" will complete them anyway.

For now, if at some point Square follows Blizzard with a new dungeon difficulty not included inside DF GL HF for those "I don't give a flaying fuxx".

[Mirch]

So much salt on this thread

[Owl_Hawk]

It seems like OP forgot that they managed to get to a point in the game where they consider themself to have skill, using what is already in the game.
In fact most people here if not all who consider themselfs as "gud" also learnt the game using what is already in the game.

It all boils down to people either being willing to learn or not.

I agree that the best and most enjoyable players to play with are the ones who are willing to learn and master their jobs while also not being cocky about it..but if there were small solo-guildhests where people had to undertake certain challenges that relates to their job...and fail...they will at least know where they stand AND, most importantly, WILL learn how to beat this challenge or risk getting locked out of say, lvl 60 dungeons which means no scripts..."Expert" roulette should contain Experts not novices who have no idea what ROLE they have in a party let alone how to use the right abilities when and where. The Devs have ALOT of data from the best players in this game..they can easily come up with a regimen to teach other players how to improve BEFORE they set foot into content that might be too difficult or requires more "Expertise"...And no one is asking for MAX OMG SUPER PLAY...4+ targets use your aoe abilities if you are a dps...Don't use Cure 1 when tank is below 40% hp instead of Cure 2...spam flash/overpower/unleash if there are many targets several times instead of once then go right into single target rotation...this is common stuff that I feel these "tests" will make sure players will learn how to better use their Jobs than right now which is just "Go with what worked when I was soloing or in FATEs"

[KarstenS]

I think skilled players that were queuing before will continue do so.

I can tell you, they are getting less and less. I'm one of them and know alot others that even do expert roulette in a premade party since some time.

With a twink I did A9S and A10S in Raidfinder some weeks. But with the release of cross server PF... this was my last week I did this content with ramdom people.

As already said: Zurvan Ex is a good explample to see the direction of the community. Its far the easiest primal we got in Heavensward.

What do you think is the reason, why its working so terrible in PF? The "skip soar" is prominent, but not the issue. Its also not the level of "challange" that made it this worse. Its because the most people in PF parties were people, that are just not ready to do this kind of content (The "I pay my sub and play like I want" fraction) and the left overs. The amount of skilled veterans is shrinking more and more and the successfull "carries" get less and less.

Sorry to say, but there were alot carries in the past and this is one of the main reasons, why people lose thrust in random parties.

Today more and more of the skilled players are organized in linkshells and friendlists. Like before we got the duty and party finder at all.

Its very similar to the JP system. The difference is: they use blacklists. We use whitelists.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

Are you guys new to MMO's? Inefficient players are always going to exist, perhaps the Duty Finder has spoiled people on what it means to make friends with like minded people.

If you are dealing with bad players, then maybe stop using the Duty Finder and make friends, or, make a Party Finder with specific limitations in check and a properly worded comment. You have the power to change this, but it sure as hell isn't going to be via an auto matchmaking system.