Do Something About Duty Finder Already

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Actually that is the what the requirement is to what the minimum amount to clear something. Anything on top of that is simply gravy, optional, not really needed. You'd have a point if it was a competitive game but its not so stop whining. if you want different standards then what the game has set set up your own parties for everything. anytime you step in DF suspend your standards

Except how often do people complain about tanks not rotating cooldowns properly or DPS standing in avoidable aoes? Only one job gets a built in excuse to literally do nothing. On the healer forums, we've had people purposely show how little healing is actually required in dungeons. If you're going to hold this stance only the barest of minimums are required, then you forfeit any right to whine about ice mages, DPS standing in aoes or tanks not using cooldowns.

[thegreatonemal]

gordias was already stated by them to be overturned so we can't really use it for a baseline. until we know what the level they are talking about which varies from tier to tier there's no real way to know

@Bourne i never once complained about them nor do i particularity care what my other dps is doing in a dungeon. At least in my experience 'im more than capable of picking up the slack. Ever since the neverreap days we've all be over powered for all dungeons assuming you've played consistently since then
and bare minimum requires you to be alive so as long as they stay alive it matters not hell i stand in aoes because a vast majority of them are harmless whats 3k damage when I have 28k hp?

[Jijifli]

bare minimum requires you to be alive so as long as they stay alive it matters not hell i stand in aoes because a vast majority of them are harmless whats 3k damage when I have 28k hp?

Correction: Bare minimum is to do any amount of damage and being alive. If you just stay alive, you do 0 damage, and therefor nothing will die.

And that still wouldn't excuse situations like Blizzard Wizard and Dotless summoners.

Also, I got to proudly watch people burn to death in Expert roulette by a 2 shotting channel attack. So while that's killing you let me just open up my netflix since my own survival is what'll kill the boss, right?

[LalaRu]

..There is no context that can justify you assuming tanks to ignore all these tools and dump the responsibility on DPS instead. But that is precisely what they are doing:
They're always basing their calculations off a tank that only goes 1-2-3. That is bullshit. And it's bullshit for healer DPS as well.

I think the context is about a duty that will have to be cleared with tanks doing tanks, healers doing healers, and dps doing... their job?

About the assumption that tank and healer must dps, Yoshida had, in all and every instance, told this assumption is wrong. Plain wrong.

The XIV game duties are developed with roles doing their role. Everything comes out as dps from healers or tanks is a bonus that will help duty when dps is not on the 85%+ of its potential. Given how insane numbers the whm puts out, and how tanks can put out good numbers too, it must be easy to tell the dps can sit back to 70% and if someone needs to be call "carried", it may be them because they have only one job, and doing it abysmal.

About the ilevel difference, by experience I saw when you are 10 IL more the minimal, the duty starts to be much easier, I guess there is the sweet point. 20+ IL it starts to be a faceroll and just handle the mechanics you didn't skipped.

[technole]

Not sure what the OP is getting at. A12S was cleared w/o job crystals. You don't need those things.