Silver chest farming in PotD, harassed by speedrunners. (More ingored PvE harassment)

[Vidu]

Not in this case no, it is greifing other players (esp newer ones) by majority rules.

This - aswell with your statment that you consider them staying out of those fights - isnt something I agree with. You seem to forget that those other three people are also there to play their game - not to help your friend. I fully understand that that was an unfortunate situation, but as far as the game is concerend all thats required to progress on PotD floors is to kill enough mobs to open the next way - if someone just went right to the lamp and afk'd, leaving that to the rest of the party I'd fully agree with it being griefing and against the ToS. But unlocking the path - all that PotD requires you to do - and then saying "I'd prefer to progress and two other people are with me, we wont go after chests" is okay. Your friend isnt alone their either and their intrest isnt more important than that of those other people.

Lets see, first off they can release statics like they do on RMT and actually show they take actions. More ToS rules with clearer meanings since even yourself does not think a ToS violation is a real ToS violation that GMs are supposed to act on. They can remove chat like PvP and add buttons for commutations so people do not name call and other things to harass each other in getting what they want. They can make a different queue for people that want to speed run, got any other ideas?

Also if they knew it existed, they would not act on just pvp, clear they do not know about it with how they are acting with making that change to begin with, ignoring the people being spoken up about it, and ignoring the PvE toxicity.

1) That might be conflicted with their "We cant say anything on those matters"-policy (and I'm not sure how a statistic would help), but okay
2) Clearer rules would be nice, I can agree with that - then again... what more of a general rule than "Dont harm other people" do we need, really? Do you want them to have a rule that says "You may not speed run"? And since we're always dealing with people here it might be sensbile once in a while and a GM needs to look into the problem anyways to see if a rule applies or not...
3) You said yourself that you dont enjoy The Feast anymore because they removed the chat - so... you want to ruin the rest of the game for yourself aswell? Also: How fixes the "no-chat"-idea a problem like the one your described: People having different goals and therefor not working together?
4) I assume that would create more issues than it would fix - by splitting the DF into more categories the shortage of tanks and healers would most likely increase and I can see this leading to more "toxciety" (as in: a person queuing up for speed runs, because that queue is faster, but not actually being able to do them, so the rest of the party insults them for holding them back - with the actual backup that they queued for a speed run)

I'm pretty sure they are aware that there are problems within the PvE-playerbase (hence why they wont give us a parser for example), but they're not considered so extreme or dont occure so often that they actually feel they have to do something about it - and from most of the runs I'm doing I can totally see why. Maybe its my datacenter, dont know, but I barely get people that I even want to report...

[Ama_Hamada]

This - aswell with your statment that you consider them staying out of those fights - isnt something I agree with.

Agree with it or not, it is a ToS violation, I do not know how say otherwise. Go assk a GM for proof?

3) You said yourself that you dont enjoy The Feast anymore because they removed the chat - so... you want to ruin the rest of the game for yourself aswell? Also: How fixes the "no-chat"-idea a problem like the one your described: People having different goals and therefor not working together?

I want consistency, do it for everything or none at all, do not single out people. It may also help to show SE why it is a bad idea, can't do it for PvE? do not do it for PvP.

[Vidu]

Agree with it or not, it is a ToS violation, I do not know how say otherwise. Go assk a GM for proof?


I want consistency, do it for everything or none at all, do not single out people. It may also help to show SE why it is a bad idea, can't do it for PvE? do not do it for PvP.

What part of the ToS do you feel violated by that? If its 3.2 I say again: The example you've given (one person wants chests, the other ones want to move on) goes both ways. Both parties harming the experience of the other ones. Both are valid ways to approach and play that content - its a difference in playstyle which is tolerated (and yes, I think it should stay that way)

This is one of the worst arguments I've ever heard - it was an easy (maybe not the most elegant) fix for a real problem. Because it works in one type of content doesnt mean it will work in another - again: I think it helped The Feast, I got a lot of friends to try it for the first time now that they dont have to worry anymore that people will get upset with them... PvP and PvE are different types of content (I dont even really know when someone would have time to chat in The Feast tbh), the atmosphere in PvP is a lot more tense because its an actual competition, patience is running even more thin etc. etc.
I honestly dont even get why you are so upset about that...

If you are about "consistency" so much do you also want a vote-kick feature for The Feast and Diadem?