Silver chest farming in PotD, harassed by speedrunners. (More ingored PvE harassment)

[Ama_Hamada]

No, no it does not. PvP and PvE toxicity are not related. These are two entirely different things. Secondly, speed running is not a form of toxicity. Just because you disagree or do not approve of something does not make it "toxic". There are lots of things that people want to speed run in this game. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

When people literately sit there and afk because you do not want to do what they want to do, it is toxic, harassment, and a ToS violation. This is just an example how PvP is way worse then PvP but they only act on PvP and I am confused why. I came to the forums because if the PvP change, so yes I played in PvP before and after, PvP in feast is unplayable now because of the no chat.

What does more harm then good is letting people gear bypass level requirements for DFs, letting people harass and grief others while no action is taken because it happens over and over and over again.

[Nghthawk]

When people literately sit there and afk because you do not want to do what they want to do, it is toxic, harassment, and a ToS violation.

This is my last post on this topic so on a side note forcing those who are sitting at the the beginning afk'n could also be looked at as toxic, harrassment and ToS violation for forcing those to play a different way. The solution is simple, talk when getting in there. Try to agree that both groups can get what they want, speed run some floors and look for silvers on others. If no agreement can be made expect to butt heads on which group wins out, if for any reason you feel the other group is breaking the ToS report them black list them and move on and let the GM's sort it out.

http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...2&tag=users_en
3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.
3.3 Profanity and Offensive Language. You may not use profanity or any language that a reasonable person would find offensive. The Game is for players aged 13 and older. You agree to behave accordingly.
and w/e they have for kick abuse.

3.2: Look at my reply above (This works both ways, look for my solution on how to deal with it black list, kick.... etc)
3.3: What one finds offensive will differ greatly among everyone, for all items I responded back to not once did you mention language hence me asking what else you were talking about as it was missing from the post. Report people who are doing this, black list this and move on.

It is up to speedruners to talk, people that are simply farming will not know it is even a thing, like my friend. If you are playing something that is not intended and not the norm, you can't assume others know. Also MPK someone because you will not speedrun and wiping the run is also going too far.

It's up to everyone not just speed runners as its two different play styles. MPK'n is report able offense how ever it's setup to not be a problem. If someone is trying to MPK the group by running ahead into the rooms and bringing them back, it simple follow this guide line:

* Make sure to never regen or healing dot the player (aggro table)
* Stop all aoe spam trying to get the current group down.
* If need be move to 1 room prior with your group of mobs
* Ignore player and the mobs he's bringing back, once (he/she) is dead the mobs will return to their original room. Then report and kick said player and move on.

[Ama_Hamada]

These rules are a double edge sword in your situation. Rule 3.2 states disruption. This goes both ways. While they could be disrupting your gameplay to farm for chests, you're at the same time disrupting their gameplay to speed run. This is a differing interests situation. That is not toxic behavior. It is toxic behavior if they address you with profanity and offensive language.

As for the afkers, just kick them. That's why the option to exists. What more needs to be done?

It is not a double edge sword since speedrunning is not the intended way to play. Also it was referring to the premade on Thok ast thok, theintentional sabotage. Another reason why your statement does not work is because the speed runners refused to any kind of cooperation. This just said "I am going to sit here afk" and that is a clear ToS violation. You can't use playing as intended as disruption.

This is my last post on this topic so on a side note forcing those who are sitting at the the beginning afk'n could also be looked at as toxic, harrassment and ToS violation for forcing those to play a different way. The solution is simple, talk when getting in there. Try to agree that both groups can get what they want, speed run some floors and look for silvers on others. If no agreement can be made expect to butt heads on which group wins out, if for any reason you feel the other group is breaking the ToS report them black list them and move on and let the GM's sort it out.

It is up to speedruners to talk, people that are simply farming will not know it is even a thing, like my friend. If you are playing something that is not intended and not the norm, you can't assume others know. Also MPK someone because you will not speedrun and wiping the run is also going too far.

[Vidu]

It is not a double edge sword since speedrunning is not the intended way to play.

It is up to speedruners to talk, people that are simply farming will not know it is even a thing, like my friend. If you are playing something that is not intended and not the norm, you can't assume others know.

Okay, who says and where does it stand that speed running isnt the intended way to play?
I'm not saying it is - but neither is your version of "get all the chests"!
At least I never loaded into PotD or any dungeon and got a message from the game telling me "you have to get all chests to complete this dungeon" - as far as the game is concerend you need to kill enough mobs in PotD and move on. So its really up to everyone to talk about what they want in there - dont assume that your playstyle is or should be the norm. Getting exp or anything else from there is not less valid of a reason to do PotD and it doesnt involve silver chests, so why care for them?

I'm sorry your friend had a bad experience, but I'm not sure what SE should change about that - report the people if they were really harrassing you and move on. Disabeling chat or votekick in all content is surely not the way to go if thats what you're hoping for - and I dont see what SE should do about this issue except for dealing with our reports. Put a GM to supervise every run?

The OP is upset with the toxicity of players in PoTD and then all the toxic people reply to this thread XD. This is a great example of what the OP is upset about, you should quote this whole thread as a part of your examples OP.

I think most of us are more upset about OP bringing the whole PvP-chat issue into play when its not really connected than anything else. That and at least for me the behaviour of "Because I'm interested in XY that should be the main objective of everyone in my run". Oh and throwing around the way "toxic" when something doesnt go the way they want it - not every bad behaviour is already "toxic", we're using this word waaay to much for minor issues...
Does their experience suck? Surely. Am I trying to defend the people who refuse to get silver chests? Nah, not really - what I'm trying to do however is to remind them that people can run PotD for different reasons and if the majority doesnt share yours, its better to back off and hope your next party will. You're not alone in there - neither are they - but its on both sides to figure out a way to deal with that.

[Vivi_Bushido]

It is not a double edge sword since speedrunning is not the intended way to play. Also it was referring to the premade on Thok ast thok, theintentional sabotage. Another reason why your statement does not work is because the speed runners refused to any kind of cooperation. This just said "I am going to sit here afk" and that is a clear ToS violation. You can't use playing as intended as disruption.



It is up to speedruners to talk, people that are simply farming will not know it is even a thing, like my friend. If you are playing something that is not intended and not the norm, you can't assume others know. Also MPK someone because you will not speedrun and wiping the run is also going too far.

It is up to both sides to talk. If you don't speak up, you're just as much in the wrong as they are. If they did speak up, would you even agree to let them speed run or would you fight against it? Secondly, while that may be the considered intended way to play, doesn't make it wrong or a violation to do something other than intended. There is no wrong way to play. People don't have to go after the treasure chests just because they exist. That would be like punishing players for using phase skipping strats in raids because it's not the original intended method.

[Ama_Hamada]

It is up to both sides to talk. If you don't speak up, you're just as much in the wrong as they are. If they did speak up, would you even agree to let them speed run or would you fight against it? Secondly, while that may be the considered intended way to play, doesn't make it wrong or a violation to do something other than intended. There is no wrong way to play. People don't have togo after the treasure chests just because they exist. That would be like punishing players for using phase skipping strats in raids because it's not the original intended method.

No it is not, again some people will not know speed running is a thing, it is why my friend had a lot of problems her first day back returning to PotD. It is up to the people that are doing different then intended to speak up. People that expect it to be played properly and newer would not know better and it is not them to speak on the issue since they do not know an issue exists, where the speedrunners are clearly experienced and know better. It is up to the speedrunnners to speak up.

Honestly, I feel the bigger issue overall is why do people find it necessary to create a new topic complaining about the way certain players have acted? Look, if you don't like the way a player acted there's a very simple thing you can do. Go to your contact list and Blacklist them, you can Blacklist anyone now. Don't like or agree with the play-style of a person? Blacklist them and be done with it, reduce the pool of players you don't want to play with and increase the odds of playing with like minded players.


So much talk about how bad players or how mean they are and yet, you say your friend has kicked them, end of story. The end, you dealt with it, why continue to hold the baggage and malice? Topics like these are toxic because you are fighting against others saying that only the way you want to play is right and the way everyone else wants to play is wrong. In your mind speed running isn't considered a way to play to you and because you see it as wrong then it's illegal for people to do that and yet that's completely false. People are free to speedrun if they want, people are free to farm chest if they want, people are free to do FATEs after they cleared Diadem, people are free to leave once they complete the objective. You can't force someone to play the way you want to play in certain content in which there is freedom involved, best you can do is respect how they want to play and how you want to play.

Blacklist does not fix or address intentional sabotage/MPK or being paired up with them again.

I get that thats not nice or the prefered reply, but how is that "toxic"? I mean, its kinda stupid not to help because thats going to take longer, but its their choice - basically saying "Okay, do your thing over there, but I'm not interested, so I wont come over" isnt toxic, its not against the ToS, its... nothing

Sitting out of fights and actually doing the content is considered disruptive and violates the tos, lamo. I do not know how people can post something is not a ToS violation when it is, and this is likely part of the problem.

The OP is upset with the toxicity of players in PoTD and then all the toxic people reply to this thread XD. This is a great example of what the OP is upset about, you should quote this whole thread as a part of your examples OP.

[Vidu]

No it is not, again some people will not know speed running is a thing, it is why my friend had a lot of problems her first day back returning to PotD. It is up to the people that are doing different then intended to speak up. People that expect it to be played properly and newer would not know better and it is not them to speak on the issue since they do not know an issue exists, where the speedrunners are clearly experienced and know better. It is up to the speedrunnners to speak up.

And what is your suggestion that SE or the devs do about this problem excatly? The problem being: difference in playstyle - both valid - and poor communication about goals.
Not wanting to be rude here, but what do you want to achiev here - except sharing a story of a surely unpleasent experience?
(Even though I'll admit I'm a little surprised that you didnt warn her about that - afaik potd is also used widely for leveling today and as I mentioned earlier that is also a very valid reason to do that content without caring about chests at all)

I'm fairly certain SE knows about those kinds of problems - and we're having a thread with around 870 pages to share stories like this, so I'm not to sure what you want to accomplish here tbh...?

[Ama_Hamada]

And what is your suggestion that SE or the devs do about this problem excatly? The problem being: difference in playstyle - both valid - and poor communication about goals.
Not wanting to be rude here, but what do you want to achiev here - except sharing a story of a surely unpleasent experience?
(Even though I'll admit I'm a little surprised that you didnt warn her about that - afaik potd is also used widely for leveling today and as I mentioned earlier that is also a very valid reason to do that content without caring about chests at all)I'm fairly certain SE knows about those kinds of problems - and we're having a thread with around 870 pages to share stories like this, so I'm not to sure what you want to accomplish here tbh...?

Lets see, first off they can release statics like they do on RMT and actually show they take actions. More ToS rules with clearer meanings since even yourself does not think a ToS violation is a real ToS violation that GMs are supposed to act on. They can remove chat like PvP and add buttons for commutations so people do not name call and other things to harass each other in getting what they want. They can make a different queue for people that want to speed run, got any other ideas?

Also if they knew it existed, they would not act on just pvp, clear they do not know about it with how they are acting with making that change to begin with, ignoring the people being spoken up about it, and ignoring the PvE toxicity.

[Nghthawk]

Blacklist does not fix or address intentional sabotage/MPK or being paired up with them again.

Might want to do some research as yes black listing individuals will prevent from grouping with them again. How ever if you join a PF group you should drop out immediately if you see people you have blacklisted.

[Ama_Hamada]

Hence by now people should realize majority rules unless your building a group. Just go with the flow, farm tomes, xp, shards, eventually you will get silver chest. People are just picky and don't realize, technically SE made it so it's solo able.

Not in this case no, it is greifing other players (esp newer ones) by majority rules.

Might want to do some research as yes black listing individuals will prevent from grouping with them again. How ever if you join a PF group you should drop out immediately if you see people you have blacklisted.

Gm told me otherwise.