Silver chest farming in PotD, harassed by speedrunners. (More ingored PvE harassment)

[Vivi_Bushido]

It is not a double edge sword since speedrunning is not the intended way to play. Also it was referring to the premade on Thok ast thok, theintentional sabotage. Another reason why your statement does not work is because the speed runners refused to any kind of cooperation. This just said "I am going to sit here afk" and that is a clear ToS violation. You can't use playing as intended as disruption.



It is up to speedruners to talk, people that are simply farming will not know it is even a thing, like my friend. If you are playing something that is not intended and not the norm, you can't assume others know. Also MPK someone because you will not speedrun and wiping the run is also going too far.

It is up to both sides to talk. If you don't speak up, you're just as much in the wrong as they are. If they did speak up, would you even agree to let them speed run or would you fight against it? Secondly, while that may be the considered intended way to play, doesn't make it wrong or a violation to do something other than intended. There is no wrong way to play. People don't have to go after the treasure chests just because they exist. That would be like punishing players for using phase skipping strats in raids because it's not the original intended method.

[Ama_Hamada]

It is up to both sides to talk. If you don't speak up, you're just as much in the wrong as they are. If they did speak up, would you even agree to let them speed run or would you fight against it? Secondly, while that may be the considered intended way to play, doesn't make it wrong or a violation to do something other than intended. There is no wrong way to play. People don't have togo after the treasure chests just because they exist. That would be like punishing players for using phase skipping strats in raids because it's not the original intended method.

No it is not, again some people will not know speed running is a thing, it is why my friend had a lot of problems her first day back returning to PotD. It is up to the people that are doing different then intended to speak up. People that expect it to be played properly and newer would not know better and it is not them to speak on the issue since they do not know an issue exists, where the speedrunners are clearly experienced and know better. It is up to the speedrunnners to speak up.

Honestly, I feel the bigger issue overall is why do people find it necessary to create a new topic complaining about the way certain players have acted? Look, if you don't like the way a player acted there's a very simple thing you can do. Go to your contact list and Blacklist them, you can Blacklist anyone now. Don't like or agree with the play-style of a person? Blacklist them and be done with it, reduce the pool of players you don't want to play with and increase the odds of playing with like minded players.


So much talk about how bad players or how mean they are and yet, you say your friend has kicked them, end of story. The end, you dealt with it, why continue to hold the baggage and malice? Topics like these are toxic because you are fighting against others saying that only the way you want to play is right and the way everyone else wants to play is wrong. In your mind speed running isn't considered a way to play to you and because you see it as wrong then it's illegal for people to do that and yet that's completely false. People are free to speedrun if they want, people are free to farm chest if they want, people are free to do FATEs after they cleared Diadem, people are free to leave once they complete the objective. You can't force someone to play the way you want to play in certain content in which there is freedom involved, best you can do is respect how they want to play and how you want to play.

Blacklist does not fix or address intentional sabotage/MPK or being paired up with them again.

I get that thats not nice or the prefered reply, but how is that "toxic"? I mean, its kinda stupid not to help because thats going to take longer, but its their choice - basically saying "Okay, do your thing over there, but I'm not interested, so I wont come over" isnt toxic, its not against the ToS, its... nothing

Sitting out of fights and actually doing the content is considered disruptive and violates the tos, lamo. I do not know how people can post something is not a ToS violation when it is, and this is likely part of the problem.

The OP is upset with the toxicity of players in PoTD and then all the toxic people reply to this thread XD. This is a great example of what the OP is upset about, you should quote this whole thread as a part of your examples OP.

[Vidu]

No it is not, again some people will not know speed running is a thing, it is why my friend had a lot of problems her first day back returning to PotD. It is up to the people that are doing different then intended to speak up. People that expect it to be played properly and newer would not know better and it is not them to speak on the issue since they do not know an issue exists, where the speedrunners are clearly experienced and know better. It is up to the speedrunnners to speak up.

And what is your suggestion that SE or the devs do about this problem excatly? The problem being: difference in playstyle - both valid - and poor communication about goals.
Not wanting to be rude here, but what do you want to achiev here - except sharing a story of a surely unpleasent experience?
(Even though I'll admit I'm a little surprised that you didnt warn her about that - afaik potd is also used widely for leveling today and as I mentioned earlier that is also a very valid reason to do that content without caring about chests at all)

I'm fairly certain SE knows about those kinds of problems - and we're having a thread with around 870 pages to share stories like this, so I'm not to sure what you want to accomplish here tbh...?

[Ama_Hamada]

And what is your suggestion that SE or the devs do about this problem excatly? The problem being: difference in playstyle - both valid - and poor communication about goals.
Not wanting to be rude here, but what do you want to achiev here - except sharing a story of a surely unpleasent experience?
(Even though I'll admit I'm a little surprised that you didnt warn her about that - afaik potd is also used widely for leveling today and as I mentioned earlier that is also a very valid reason to do that content without caring about chests at all)I'm fairly certain SE knows about those kinds of problems - and we're having a thread with around 870 pages to share stories like this, so I'm not to sure what you want to accomplish here tbh...?

Lets see, first off they can release statics like they do on RMT and actually show they take actions. More ToS rules with clearer meanings since even yourself does not think a ToS violation is a real ToS violation that GMs are supposed to act on. They can remove chat like PvP and add buttons for commutations so people do not name call and other things to harass each other in getting what they want. They can make a different queue for people that want to speed run, got any other ideas?

Also if they knew it existed, they would not act on just pvp, clear they do not know about it with how they are acting with making that change to begin with, ignoring the people being spoken up about it, and ignoring the PvE toxicity.

[Nghthawk]

Blacklist does not fix or address intentional sabotage/MPK or being paired up with them again.

Might want to do some research as yes black listing individuals will prevent from grouping with them again. How ever if you join a PF group you should drop out immediately if you see people you have blacklisted.

[Ama_Hamada]

Hence by now people should realize majority rules unless your building a group. Just go with the flow, farm tomes, xp, shards, eventually you will get silver chest. People are just picky and don't realize, technically SE made it so it's solo able.

Not in this case no, it is greifing other players (esp newer ones) by majority rules.

Might want to do some research as yes black listing individuals will prevent from grouping with them again. How ever if you join a PF group you should drop out immediately if you see people you have blacklisted.

Gm told me otherwise.

[ManuelBravo]

Not in this case no, it is greifing other players (esp newer ones) by majority rules.

Soooo why not ask for FC help? or build a party? Older content can be bit harsh for newer player. There is always options. Mentors, or sprout LS is a great way to find people. New players just need to be guided and speak up for help. As a mentor I can't read peoples minds but when I'm asked for help always help with either advice or help them do runs. Those who speak will be heard, Those who listen will be helped, those who complain and don't act on advice are usually ignored. If people are being picky on who they get at random perhaps shouting or placing a PF request might work better for them. Not to discourage but it's the sad reality in gaming and in life.

[Vidu]

Not in this case no, it is greifing other players (esp newer ones) by majority rules.

This - aswell with your statment that you consider them staying out of those fights - isnt something I agree with. You seem to forget that those other three people are also there to play their game - not to help your friend. I fully understand that that was an unfortunate situation, but as far as the game is concerend all thats required to progress on PotD floors is to kill enough mobs to open the next way - if someone just went right to the lamp and afk'd, leaving that to the rest of the party I'd fully agree with it being griefing and against the ToS. But unlocking the path - all that PotD requires you to do - and then saying "I'd prefer to progress and two other people are with me, we wont go after chests" is okay. Your friend isnt alone their either and their intrest isnt more important than that of those other people.

Lets see, first off they can release statics like they do on RMT and actually show they take actions. More ToS rules with clearer meanings since even yourself does not think a ToS violation is a real ToS violation that GMs are supposed to act on. They can remove chat like PvP and add buttons for commutations so people do not name call and other things to harass each other in getting what they want. They can make a different queue for people that want to speed run, got any other ideas?

Also if they knew it existed, they would not act on just pvp, clear they do not know about it with how they are acting with making that change to begin with, ignoring the people being spoken up about it, and ignoring the PvE toxicity.

1) That might be conflicted with their "We cant say anything on those matters"-policy (and I'm not sure how a statistic would help), but okay
2) Clearer rules would be nice, I can agree with that - then again... what more of a general rule than "Dont harm other people" do we need, really? Do you want them to have a rule that says "You may not speed run"? And since we're always dealing with people here it might be sensbile once in a while and a GM needs to look into the problem anyways to see if a rule applies or not...
3) You said yourself that you dont enjoy The Feast anymore because they removed the chat - so... you want to ruin the rest of the game for yourself aswell? Also: How fixes the "no-chat"-idea a problem like the one your described: People having different goals and therefor not working together?
4) I assume that would create more issues than it would fix - by splitting the DF into more categories the shortage of tanks and healers would most likely increase and I can see this leading to more "toxciety" (as in: a person queuing up for speed runs, because that queue is faster, but not actually being able to do them, so the rest of the party insults them for holding them back - with the actual backup that they queued for a speed run)

I'm pretty sure they are aware that there are problems within the PvE-playerbase (hence why they wont give us a parser for example), but they're not considered so extreme or dont occure so often that they actually feel they have to do something about it - and from most of the runs I'm doing I can totally see why. Maybe its my datacenter, dont know, but I barely get people that I even want to report...

[Ama_Hamada]

This - aswell with your statment that you consider them staying out of those fights - isnt something I agree with.

Agree with it or not, it is a ToS violation, I do not know how say otherwise. Go assk a GM for proof?

3) You said yourself that you dont enjoy The Feast anymore because they removed the chat - so... you want to ruin the rest of the game for yourself aswell? Also: How fixes the "no-chat"-idea a problem like the one your described: People having different goals and therefor not working together?

I want consistency, do it for everything or none at all, do not single out people. It may also help to show SE why it is a bad idea, can't do it for PvE? do not do it for PvP.

[Vidu]

Agree with it or not, it is a ToS violation, I do not know how say otherwise. Go assk a GM for proof?


I want consistency, do it for everything or none at all, do not single out people. It may also help to show SE why it is a bad idea, can't do it for PvE? do not do it for PvP.

What part of the ToS do you feel violated by that? If its 3.2 I say again: The example you've given (one person wants chests, the other ones want to move on) goes both ways. Both parties harming the experience of the other ones. Both are valid ways to approach and play that content - its a difference in playstyle which is tolerated (and yes, I think it should stay that way)

This is one of the worst arguments I've ever heard - it was an easy (maybe not the most elegant) fix for a real problem. Because it works in one type of content doesnt mean it will work in another - again: I think it helped The Feast, I got a lot of friends to try it for the first time now that they dont have to worry anymore that people will get upset with them... PvP and PvE are different types of content (I dont even really know when someone would have time to chat in The Feast tbh), the atmosphere in PvP is a lot more tense because its an actual competition, patience is running even more thin etc. etc.
I honestly dont even get why you are so upset about that...

If you are about "consistency" so much do you also want a vote-kick feature for The Feast and Diadem?