Silver chest farming in PotD, harassed by speedrunners. (More ingored PvE harassment)

[Rokke]

Why do all of your topics boil down to pvp chat?
What does parties arguing in chat have to do with pvp chat removal?

pvp chat was removed cause folks were explicitly hostile frequently enough that devs had to step in. Unless potd becomes overrun with speedrunners telling non-speedrunners to kill themselves, theres no reason to ban chat in there.

[Vivi_Bushido]

It is not a double edge sword since speedrunning is not the intended way to play. Also it was referring to the premade on Thok ast thok, theintentional sabotage. Another reason why your statement does not work is because the speed runners refused to any kind of cooperation. This just said "I am going to sit here afk" and that is a clear ToS violation. You can't use playing as intended as disruption.



It is up to speedruners to talk, people that are simply farming will not know it is even a thing, like my friend. If you are playing something that is not intended and not the norm, you can't assume others know. Also MPK someone because you will not speedrun and wiping the run is also going too far.

It is up to both sides to talk. If you don't speak up, you're just as much in the wrong as they are. If they did speak up, would you even agree to let them speed run or would you fight against it? Secondly, while that may be the considered intended way to play, doesn't make it wrong or a violation to do something other than intended. There is no wrong way to play. People don't have to go after the treasure chests just because they exist. That would be like punishing players for using phase skipping strats in raids because it's not the original intended method.

[Ama_Hamada]

First this POTD Isn't PvP, second speed runs aren't really that hard if your doing silver chest hunting ask for assistance. Tech floors 51-100 can be soloed so you can also try doing it solo, you may just need to repeat 50-60 a few times. If people are saying we will wait at the portal, ask for help to get silver chest, most people will help. You can also build a 2 man or 3 man party if you wanted to for silver chest farming on PF. Just a suggestion but it re4ally isn't areason to report them, being it's not against the rules. You can vote kick if you wanted to but would just simple waste your time waiting for rep. >.>

That is why I am here, don't you think she did that? The reply was "we are just going to afk here"

The OP is upset with the toxicity of players in PoTD and then all the toxic people reply to this thread XD. This is a great example of what the OP is upset about, you should quote this whole thread as a part of your examples OP.

Someone else noticed, pretty much

[Osmond]

So when the update to PotD was released everyone did it for chests and it was pretty much what I was used in seeing, along with my friend. Well we both stopped doingthem for a while then was shocked people would just rush to the portal and stay there doing nothing. My friend kicked a lot of "speed runners" out of PotD because they refused to cooperate with her. Some went as far as saying "You want chests? fine Ill just afk here because I want to speed run"

What confuses me is why would people eat wasting 15+ minutes of time because they do not get their way? It is playing the game improperly so you would think they would expect the possibility of being kicked? A pair of speed runnerss went as far as killing my two friends by MPK for kicking out the first one, while the second killed them to wipe the run.

Never thought of it. Usually do it w/ my FC instead. Can't trust ppl w/ that mindset since they'll ruin your playtime just to please them.

[Vidu]

That is why I am here, don't you think she did that? The reply was "we are just going to afk here"

I get that thats not nice or the prefered reply, but how is that "toxic"? I mean, its kinda stupid not to help because thats going to take longer, but its their choice - basically saying "Okay, do your thing over there, but I'm not interested, so I wont come over" isnt toxic, its not against the ToS, its... nothing

(...specially compared to the name-calling we had in PvP)

pvp chat was removed cause folks were explicitly hostile frequently enough that devs had to step in. Unless potd becomes overrun with speedrunners telling non-speedrunners to kill themselves, theres no reason to ban chat in there.

I'm not even sure if the OP wants that - and how they would think it would help the issue at hand (people having different goals in that content) to take away their means of communication to figure out a way how to deal with that...

[Airget]

Honestly, I feel the bigger issue overall is why do people find it necessary to create a new topic complaining about the way certain players have acted? Look, if you don't like the way a player acted there's a very simple thing you can do. Go to your contact list and Blacklist them, you can Blacklist anyone now. Don't like or agree with the play-style of a person? Blacklist them and be done with it, reduce the pool of players you don't want to play with and increase the odds of playing with like minded players.


So much talk about how bad players or how mean they are and yet, you say your friend has kicked them, end of story. The end, you dealt with it, why continue to hold the baggage and malice? Topics like these are toxic because you are fighting against others saying that only the way you want to play is right and the way everyone else wants to play is wrong. In your mind speed running isn't considered a way to play to you and because you see it as wrong then it's illegal for people to do that and yet that's completely false. People are free to speedrun if they want, people are free to farm chest if they want, people are free to do FATEs after they cleared Diadem, people are free to leave once they complete the objective. You can't force someone to play the way you want to play in certain content in which there is freedom involved, best you can do is respect how they want to play and how you want to play.

[Ama_Hamada]

It is up to both sides to talk. If you don't speak up, you're just as much in the wrong as they are. If they did speak up, would you even agree to let them speed run or would you fight against it? Secondly, while that may be the considered intended way to play, doesn't make it wrong or a violation to do something other than intended. There is no wrong way to play. People don't have togo after the treasure chests just because they exist. That would be like punishing players for using phase skipping strats in raids because it's not the original intended method.

No it is not, again some people will not know speed running is a thing, it is why my friend had a lot of problems her first day back returning to PotD. It is up to the people that are doing different then intended to speak up. People that expect it to be played properly and newer would not know better and it is not them to speak on the issue since they do not know an issue exists, where the speedrunners are clearly experienced and know better. It is up to the speedrunnners to speak up.

Honestly, I feel the bigger issue overall is why do people find it necessary to create a new topic complaining about the way certain players have acted? Look, if you don't like the way a player acted there's a very simple thing you can do. Go to your contact list and Blacklist them, you can Blacklist anyone now. Don't like or agree with the play-style of a person? Blacklist them and be done with it, reduce the pool of players you don't want to play with and increase the odds of playing with like minded players.


So much talk about how bad players or how mean they are and yet, you say your friend has kicked them, end of story. The end, you dealt with it, why continue to hold the baggage and malice? Topics like these are toxic because you are fighting against others saying that only the way you want to play is right and the way everyone else wants to play is wrong. In your mind speed running isn't considered a way to play to you and because you see it as wrong then it's illegal for people to do that and yet that's completely false. People are free to speedrun if they want, people are free to farm chest if they want, people are free to do FATEs after they cleared Diadem, people are free to leave once they complete the objective. You can't force someone to play the way you want to play in certain content in which there is freedom involved, best you can do is respect how they want to play and how you want to play.

Blacklist does not fix or address intentional sabotage/MPK or being paired up with them again.

I get that thats not nice or the prefered reply, but how is that "toxic"? I mean, its kinda stupid not to help because thats going to take longer, but its their choice - basically saying "Okay, do your thing over there, but I'm not interested, so I wont come over" isnt toxic, its not against the ToS, its... nothing

Sitting out of fights and actually doing the content is considered disruptive and violates the tos, lamo. I do not know how people can post something is not a ToS violation when it is, and this is likely part of the problem.

The OP is upset with the toxicity of players in PoTD and then all the toxic people reply to this thread XD. This is a great example of what the OP is upset about, you should quote this whole thread as a part of your examples OP.

[Vidu]

No it is not, again some people will not know speed running is a thing, it is why my friend had a lot of problems her first day back returning to PotD. It is up to the people that are doing different then intended to speak up. People that expect it to be played properly and newer would not know better and it is not them to speak on the issue since they do not know an issue exists, where the speedrunners are clearly experienced and know better. It is up to the speedrunnners to speak up.

And what is your suggestion that SE or the devs do about this problem excatly? The problem being: difference in playstyle - both valid - and poor communication about goals.
Not wanting to be rude here, but what do you want to achiev here - except sharing a story of a surely unpleasent experience?
(Even though I'll admit I'm a little surprised that you didnt warn her about that - afaik potd is also used widely for leveling today and as I mentioned earlier that is also a very valid reason to do that content without caring about chests at all)

I'm fairly certain SE knows about those kinds of problems - and we're having a thread with around 870 pages to share stories like this, so I'm not to sure what you want to accomplish here tbh...?

[Ama_Hamada]

And what is your suggestion that SE or the devs do about this problem excatly? The problem being: difference in playstyle - both valid - and poor communication about goals.
Not wanting to be rude here, but what do you want to achiev here - except sharing a story of a surely unpleasent experience?
(Even though I'll admit I'm a little surprised that you didnt warn her about that - afaik potd is also used widely for leveling today and as I mentioned earlier that is also a very valid reason to do that content without caring about chests at all)I'm fairly certain SE knows about those kinds of problems - and we're having a thread with around 870 pages to share stories like this, so I'm not to sure what you want to accomplish here tbh...?

Lets see, first off they can release statics like they do on RMT and actually show they take actions. More ToS rules with clearer meanings since even yourself does not think a ToS violation is a real ToS violation that GMs are supposed to act on. They can remove chat like PvP and add buttons for commutations so people do not name call and other things to harass each other in getting what they want. They can make a different queue for people that want to speed run, got any other ideas?

Also if they knew it existed, they would not act on just pvp, clear they do not know about it with how they are acting with making that change to begin with, ignoring the people being spoken up about it, and ignoring the PvE toxicity.

[ManuelBravo]

That is why I am here, don't you think she did that? The reply was "we are just going to afk here"

Hence by now people should realize majority rules unless your building a group. Just go with the flow, farm tomes, xp, shards, eventually you will get silver chest. People are just picky and don't realize, technically SE made it so it's solo able. You COULD always black list people to avoid teaming up with them as well.