Silver chest farming in PotD, harassed by speedrunners. (More ingored PvE harassment)

[ManuelBravo]

No, it is there to give people an alternative to get a weapon, the EXP is supposed to be just a side bonus, not greif people out of getting silvers. You are just trying to promote toxicity and it offends me. If 4/4 do not agree to speed run, you do not speedrun, you cannot greif by majority. At some point you need x amount of arm and armor to even to be able to function on the higher floors. Just because you are not new, does not give you a right to greif new people and making them speed run with you not helping and afking at gate.

So in some other words people, not just you, rather take their chances with random parties, feel mistreated, complain, rather than use common sense, build one of their own with a purpose.?

PotD is a nice way to get a weapon that is currently decent if people don't do raids, farm scripts, are behind, yet expect to be treated by more advance players as equals when doing runs. Lets focus on the facts people have option, some are more advanced than others. Why would person constantly torture themselves than do a shout to team up or build a party in PF?

[dragonseth07]

I feel you. I do. But, you don't get to decide what the norm is. The community sets it, and the community has spoken. Speedrunners are the norm, so if you want to farm chests, set up a PF.

Just like if you wanted to watch all the cutscenes in Castrum. The community norm in DF is to skip, so set up a PF if you want to go against the grain.

It's not griefing just because you are the outlier.

[Khemorex]

as far as i see it , OP just asked for something to remove PvE toxicity . the PvP chat thing was just an example? or im wrong ? ^^
tho if u really meant to disable PvE chat , thats not gona solve anything , communicating is essential in a MMO ^^

also ofc theres several reasons to go in to PotD , but as in other content people dont know what manners are since they dont suffer any consequences XD

also ur speed run isnt going to be faster if u let 1 player get all chest by themselfs :P

what i noticed sometimes on chaos datacenter when i did PotD that people split up in 2 x 2 and go through all the rooms , that way the run is still fast , and theres no raging ^^

Also common courtesy should be to help the player in need , that means if someone does need blue chests for whatever reason , and u force a speed run ur just being a jerk XD
A speed run is hardly more important then someone who needs bluechests to advance to the next 10 floors.
U can try to throw the words all around like u want, it still dosnt make it better^^ its still being a jerk if u dont help ur fellow players who are in need of blue chests.

Its not the players fault when they need blue chests , yet people are trying to make it sound like one . Also its not a players fault , when you are short in time and want a fast run.

[Arutan]

People should not assume "speed running" is the norm, farming for chests is

No. Farming for chest is useless since you use match making and none of what you got except subtrat will remain on the next 10 floor step. If you use the match making, you're likely here to exp and thus no need for chest. If you go premade then you can go for chest since they will remain 'til the end.
Plus if you farm chest for substrat, it's easily done while speedrunning. I got an average of +10 weap/armor every 50 floors.

[dragonseth07]

Also common courtesy should be to help the player in need , that means if someone does need blue chests for whatever reason , and u force a speed run ur just being a jerk XD

One player's need isn't more important than another's, though. Player A needs silver chests. Player B needs fast exp to grind levels. Maybe Player C needs Potsherds. None of these are more important than another.

That's the deal, here. You can't arbitrarily say that one need has priority. It's not fair. And that's why DF will always be a majority rules kinda thing. If the other 3 people in your group want to do it one way, you adapt or you leave.

[Vidu]

as far as i see it , OP just asked for something to remove PvE toxicity . the PvP chat thing was just an example? or im wrong ? ^^
tho if u really meant to disable PvE chat , thats not gona solve anything , communicating is essential in a MMO ^^

also ofc theres several reasons to go in to PotD , but as in other content people dont know what manners are since they dont suffer any consequences XD

Its not the players fault when they need blue chests , yet people are trying to make it sound like one . Also its not a players fault , when you are short in time and want a fast run.

OP is really upset about the removal about the PvP chat, so even if they're admitting that it would be horrible to remove the chat enterily they're arguing that it would only be "fair" - they dont think its a good solution in either content, so they're using situations like this to get their PvP chat back...

For the rest though... as you pointed out correctly different intrests are no ones fault, both are valid and its up to the party to choose how to proceed in that content.
The problem here is: It goes both ways, even with manners. I, personally, would feel bad being the only person needing chests and holding everyone else back - my progress with chests isnt more important than their progress with the run and being new to content doesnt make the other three people my tour guides who have to ensure that I get the best experience possible. Its ofc nice when they try and do that but its nothing I should just expect or even have a right to get.
Being new doesnt make you a special snowflake that everyone in a run should revolve around.

It is important to understand that no one is "right" or "wrong" here - people had a disagreement, one person lost and feels now misstreated because the rest of the team wouldnt sacrfice their own intrest for theirs.

(Short anekdote, not from PotD but from Haukke Manor NM - its been a while but we had that arcanist in there once, around level 29 or so? Rest of the party was at max level and was doing low level roulette for the tomes - as in: wanted a quick run without going for extra mobs, the arcanist was told so, yet they proceeded to pull extra mobs to the party. We kicked them because their behaviour was disruptive to our gameplay and their attitude was pretty selfish. As a tank main I'll always try to make the run as pleasent as possible for everyone and that does include not to hold two people (+myself) back for the sake of one person)

[TaleraRistain]

I've made some alts on the aether data center, and to be honest, I found more friendly players with more patience compared to the primal data center.

Unfortunately I've seen it on the aether data center as well. I am often the lone person who will go and help someone who has stated that they need upgrades while the other two just stand on the passage. I've been thanked for it multiple times and have been told they had not been able to upgrade for 3 or 4 runs from groups ignoring them when they asked to do silver chests. It's a tricky situation, since it involves desires on both sides. I would err on the side that outright ignoring the requests of your partymates may be able to be construed as harassment and certainly is hindering your progress on your weapon.

Plus they're not gaining anything. You can easily complete 51-60 doing a silver chest run in about 15 to 20 minutes so long as everyone participates.

[Vidu]

It's a tricky situation, since it involves desires on both sides. I would err on the side that outright ignoring the requests of your partymates may be able to be construed as harassment and certainly is hindering your progress on your weapon.

"Ignoring the request" and stating "Sorry, but the majority here would prefer not to" are two different pair of shoes though - I totally agree with you that its a tricky situation, but as long as those people dont queue for the content with the only intend to screw people over by "denying" them silver chests, I wouldnt consider it harrassment but simply a disagreement. It does comes down to intention a bit, but wanting to speed run because its on your intrest to get your rewards faster doesnt equals harrassing someone who wants to explore the whole dungeon. It is tricky and delicate to understand - which is why I dont think we need stricter rules, because it boils down to indivuals having different intrests and I dont think it should be up to SE to choose which one is the "right" one when they offered both in the first place.

Both parties are ignoring the requests of the other here - "Please look for silver chests" vs. "Please proceed with the run". Both are hindering the progression of the other one - and neither is doing it with ill intentions, they're all just trying to achieve their goals. That those arent mutual is unfortunate, but not wrong or in need of punishment.

[TaleraRistain]

You're making it sound like speed runners are not picking up any silver chest at all. While in fact they do pick them if it was close by (Same room as key/portal or one they have just cleared from mobs).

I like to get my weekly scripture with PotD so I run it a lot. The vast majority of speedrunners I've experienced ignore all chests. I've seen some of them yell at people for opening them when they said they needed silvers rather than running past like they did. I'm 99/99 and I will always go with the person who needs upgrades. I find it incredibly selfish of the other two to either stand on the passage when they know someone needs upgrades or to go so far as to yell at them for trying to get them. I also see plenty of people in 51-60 with white weapons or who kick off the newbie message. So speedrunners are hurting the progress of new people or people not as far along. Or even just those who have reset and are getting another weapon.

[Ama_Hamada]

as far as i see it , OP just asked for something to remove PvE toxicity . the PvP chat thing was just an example? or im wrong ? ^^

That is correct, and the toxicity is greatly showing in this thread. People keep saying 3>1 well you are being toxic to new people and hindering progress to someone because some people want to harass by majority and that is wrong to do. you are breaking rule 3.2 in thissense and I would like PvE toxicity addressed since SE is trying to address it in PvP

So for the people trying to tell me speedrun is the norm, what if groups of people just want to fail runs? it is 7>8 that case but that is harassment too.

If you want to speed run, PF, you should not expect speedruns though the DF. same for farming umrbite in the great gubal library. The community does not make the rues on what harassment is, SE does.

Unfortunately I've seen it on the aether data center as well. I am often the lone person who will go and help someone who has stated that they need upgrades while the other two just stand on the passage. I've been thanked for it multiple times and have been told they had not been able to upgrade for 3 or 4 runs from groups ignoring them when they asked to do silver chests. It's a tricky situation, since it involves desires on both sides. I would err on the side that outright ignoring the requests of your partymates may be able to be construed as harassment and certainly is hindering your progress on your weapon.

Plus they're not gaining anything. You can easily complete 51-60 doing a silver chest run in about 15 to 20 minutes so long as everyone participates.

exactly, wanting to ruin someone's experience just because people want to harass others over saving 5 minutes is wrong. Majorly is not always right. DF is not for speedrunners to harass people. I am shocked people are trying to defend toxicity by saying "najoroty rules" that is funny to me.