Silver chest farming in PotD, harassed by speedrunners. (More ingored PvE harassment)

[Vidu]

If you ask someone to play the content and they say "No I rather AFK because I want to speed run" that is a ToS violation, I can only assume you are not understanding me.

If someone makes it clear that they rather progress with the content and you run off, making that impossible for them you're hindering their experience and "holding them hostage". I can only assume you dont understand me.
PotD isnt your ordinary dungeon and as long as that person afk'd as soon as the main objective - unlock the path by killing x mobs - it becomes a matter of difference in playstyle. You dont seem to understand that because for you getting silver chests is the main reason to do PotD when its not - all you have to do to clear that content is kill X mobs, unlock the path, progress. One person running off on their own is hindering the other three from doing that. They are playing the content, because playing the content means: Unlock the way, proceed, get to the boss, kill it - it does not include a full clear/get all the chests.

There is no "right" or "wrong" way to play PotD (except for, well, killing the needed mobs to progress) and if the majority wants to progress I doubt any GM would rule in favour of your friend and tell them "But you have to help that person!"
Your friend is disrupting their experience of a "speed run" as much as they are disrupting your friends experience of a full clear. Since both are absolute valid ways to challenge that content, its a tie - and more a matter of "difference in playstyle" than a violation of the ToS.

I'm sorre to hear our experiences in Feast have been so different then lately - again, still not super happy about the remove of the chat, but I dont consider it to be that big of a deal as you try to make it...

[ErryK]

The OP is upset with the toxicity of players in PoTD and then all the toxic people reply to this thread XD. This is a great example of what the OP is upset about, you should quote this whole thread as a part of your examples OP.

While the issue exists in PvE as well, it isn't directly fueled by the content itself. The issue with PvP is people expect perfect play, but it's impossible because the other group is unpredictable, unlike PvE fights where enemy rotations are scripted and pre-planned.

I think the biggest issue here is OP would like to enforce the PvP "silence" to PvE content, but it does more harm to PvE than it does PvP. PvP, you can easily go onto voice chat with a preset if you wanted, but in PvE, you can't just go and join someone on voice chat, so chat has to stay there. And I think that's the biggest issue, because it would result in even more 'silent' harassment, such as kicking without warning, etc.

Pushing PvP "silence" will more or less gimp the ability to complete content, because at that point, you can't even tell strats to newbies, resulting in even MORE toxicity. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I want consistency, do it for everything or none at all, do not single out people. It may also help to show SE why it is a bad idea, can't do it for PvE? do not do it for PvP.

And then you go and say this. "Let's make everything even more toxic!" basically.

[SenorPatty]

So...is this about pve with a hidden pvp agenda or pvp with a hidden pve agenda


or did OP had a bad day and decide to generalize the bad experience as status quo for potd?


Cuz...if having a bad time in potd is the norm in your everyday life...mayhaps you want to look inward? Or go outward and seek another server?


Cuz personally, the ratio of Great and Average potd runs I've had far outweigh the bad ones to say that my community is toxic and SE needs to do something about it. My condolences to people who just keep having a bad day, day after day, EVERY DAY (/pats OP).

[Ama_Hamada]

It's not griefing when people refuse to help you. PoTD is a free for all just like diadem. Kicking anybody for refusing to help is abusing the kick functionality, making you the bad guy. The only objective in PoTD is advance to the next floor.

This is almost the same argument as saying speed runners in leveling dungeons are griefing because they skip mobs newer players need to level up. The only objective in a dungeon is to clear it.

No, it is there to give people an alternative to get a weapon, the EXP is supposed to be just a side bonus, not greif people out of getting silvers. You are just trying to promote toxicity and it offends me. If 4/4 do not agree to speed run, you do not speedrun, you cannot greif by majority. At some point you need x amount of arm and armor to even to be able to function on the higher floors. Just because you are not new, does not give you a right to greif new people and making them speed run with you not helping and afking at gate.

While the issue exists in PvE as well, it isn't directly fueled by the content itself. The issue with PvP is people expect perfect play, but it's impossible because the other group is unpredictable, unlike PvE fights where enemy rotations are scripted and pre-planned.

I think the biggest issue here is OP would like to enforce the PvP "silence" to PvE content, but it does more harm to PvE than it does PvP. PvP, you can easily go onto voice chat with a preset if you wanted, but in PvE, you can't just go and join someone on voice chat, so chat has to stay there. And I think that's the biggest issue, because it would result in even more 'silent' harassment, such as kicking without warning, etc.

Pushing PvP "silence" will more or less gimp the ability to complete content, because at that point, you can't even tell strats to newbies, resulting in even MORE toxicity. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.



And then you go and say this. "Let's make everything even more toxic!" basically.

You just posted why baning chat in PvP is more harmful then PvE. In PvE the fights are scripted, you do not need to "talk" in PvE. A lot of times people just say "go google it" anyway.

[BigRed5392]

Don't like it, run a matched party.

Does it suck? Yeah, but there are ways to fix it- the problem is the same as running roulettes on duty finder. It's not SE's fault.

Do those experiences you listed suck? Yeah, but I wouldn't call them common. Report them for harassment if they actually did harass you, but ultimately your most potent tool in your arsenal to stop this from happening is to just talk to them at the beginning of the run and ask. Then if you can't come to an agreement, one of you can leave.

it more common then you think.

Play 10+ hours a day like my g/f does, and you will see how bad NA community can get. if you play less then 5hrs ofc you don't think it will be common though.

[RaijinSupreme]

You can report them & action will be taken. Please stop using every topic for a moan about PVP chat. It's *not* the place, nor the time. Serious issues can end up being neglected by derailing the topic.

Right. OP talks about seeing a bad thread on the topic, but decides to create another bad thread on the topic.

[BigRed5392]

I see a lot of people don't get how potd seems to work, fresh players do need silver chests to move on, and the aether gear is how you attack. Screwing ppl outa chests just makes a person weaker. And you need to hit certain caps to move up each floor.

Als not all roles can solo the boss floors easily in low spec gear due to lack of silver chests, and your stuff isn't saved till you beat the boss floor.

[Anarnee]

The OP is upset with the toxicity of players in PoTD and then all the toxic people reply to this thread XD. This is a great example of what the OP is upset about, you should quote this whole thread as a part of your examples OP.

Not sure if this is sarcasm or not, but as an outsider looking in, OP seems the most toxic in the thread. Everyone has brought up very real good points and OP is just like "NO YOU ARE WRONG BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT DOING IT MY WAY."

THAT SAID.

OP, I think you are sorely mistaken. Unfortunately when you queue into the roulettes with a party that is not preformed, that means sometimes you have to conform to how they want to play. It is up to the party what route they will take, if it be to get all the chest or to ignore them all its up to everyone not just one. It doesn't make them toxic if you don't get your way all the time, yeah it sucks when you want to do things a certain way... but I mean... POTD can be soloed too... Slower, yeah but if you can't play nice with others... Sometimes we get to run and do everything, sometimes people skip stuff.

[Vidu]

No, it is there to give people an alternative to get a weapon, the EXP is supposed to be just a side bonus, not greif people out of getting silvers. You are just trying to promote toxicity and it offends me. If 4/4 do not agree to speed run, you do not speedrun, you cannot greif by majority. At some point you need x amount of arm and armor to even to be able to function on the higher floors. Just because you are not new, does not give you a right to greif new people and making them speed run with you not helping and afking at gate.

Seeing how many other alternatives we have for weapons in this game (some are being better than either type of PotD-weapon; just to mention a few examples here: ilvl230 bought with tomes+midas drops, relic, pvp-weapons, drops from several ex-primals, shire weapons, crafted weapons, raid drops) I dont agree with your statment that the main objective of PotD is to get a weapon. Seeing the weapon as a side effect of this content is as valid as seeing exp as a side effect. Or seeing the loot as a side effect - one could even argue here that some loot is exclusive to PotD so that has to be the most important thing (and in conclusion a party has to search every pixel of the screen for hidden treasures and open every gold chest for pomanders). Same goes for shards.

One reason to run PotD isnt more valid or important than another one, therefor its up to the party to choose how thy want to play - and why do I have to repeat this so often?

Just because YOU think that one part of the content is more important than others doesnt make it true and it doesnt make people toxic to disagree with you and tell you that they'd like to play differently.

To everyone pulling the "but we have to help new people"-cards: I generally agree with you that everyone should try to make the experience of this game as pleasent as possible for everyone. But that does not mean that we always have to sacrfice our intrests for a newbie. Their goal doesnt become more important than ours just because they're new. Is it nice to help a fellow player out? It certainly is. But its nothing anyone has to do - and choosing not to help isnt flate out rude. No one has to help anyone and I dont think that SE needs to force us in any way to do that - besides from not knowing how that would even be possible I can only see it leading to more problems...

I see a lot of people don't get how potd seems to work, fresh players do need silver chests to move on, and the aether gear is how you attack. Screwing ppl outa chests just makes a person weaker. And you need to hit certain caps to move up each floor.

Als not all roles can solo the boss floors easily in low spec gear due to lack of silver chests, and your stuff isn't saved till you beat the boss floor.

I fully understand how PotD works - but as I already said: Its very nice to help a fellow player, but its not rude to prioritize your own intrests and say "No, sorry, I dont want to go after silver chests, I rather progress quicker" - if the majority of the party agrees with that thats sad for the one person who would have liked to get chests. Maybe they'll have more luck the next run - when there are three people who want chests and one person with 99/99 who tages along this time even if they'd prefered to go faster.
Thats DF for you - sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. If you want to make sure it always goes your way: make a preformed party. Otherwise be preprade to go for a compromisse or be overruled because your intrest isnt shared by the rest of your team - And thats okay! Those random strangers do not owe you anything!
Again: Its nice when they go out of their way - but its totally okay and "neutral" if they dont, not toxic. It doesnt make them horrible people, it makes them people who have their own intrests.

[dragonseth07]

Speedrunners aren't griefing. One player refusing to cooperate with the 3 people who want to actually progress and intentionally delaying the run... That's another story.

Edit: Obviously, I wouldn't report a chest hunter for griefing, but do you see my point? You don't get to decide what play style is normal and what people should be doing. The community establishes normal, and speedrunners are the norm.