Community expectations

[ananda]

For me, i have different standards depending on the content that I'm doing. And indeed, as long as we clear in the end, i don't particularly care how long it takes, except in certain cases.

Daily duty roulette? I won't even say anything to the ice mages or the tanks that only pull single packs at a time and then wait 1 minute at a time before pulling the next (i might ridicule them on fc chat though). One, it's not worth my time to try to educate or argue with them, and two for all i know there may be a valid reason for them being unable to do better (and if there is any content that such players is allowed to do, it is this one). If the content ended up taking twice the time, so be it, no big deal. If I'm not in the mood for such shenanigans on the day, I would not queue solo at all, i would look to party with people I know or just don't do it at all.

Extreme trials? When queuing through rf, i would still accept heal-only healers and dps that do 50% of the optimum dps, which in the end is about the same amount of raid dps loss. As long there is still enough overall dps to avoid enrage, having to do more mechanics and a longer fight is not a big deal. But if it is a pf farm party, the standard would be higher, since when you are doing it many times, efficiency do matter. It still depends on how easy it would likely be to find a replacement, though. It is often more efficient to just tolerate the under-performer that you know is still capable of clearing.

Savage? Only doing this with a static, people who i know are capable. And when we do have to pug/rf to replace a member who could not make it, the expectations placed are very high indeed.

[GeminiXIV]

I see alot of these topics stating a certain playstyle is being "enforced" upon them but never actually see it, you know, "enforced".

All I ever really see is people wanting others to carry their own weight. Theres absolutely nothing wrong with that.

I dont use the forums much but I find this interesting.

[Xx-ReiN-xX]

you're are so right. where's the fun at being efficient at all. it's more fun to spam 123 combo and and be an hindrance to your party.

[Atos]

I don’t understand why the FF14 community is so focused on performing in the most efficient manner and so heavily on ilv/BiS. Given the low level of difficulty of all non-savage content, neither of these aspects really matter much at all. When did games stop being about just having fun. ...

I think the problem starts when people view their performance in game as some kind of measure of their personal value. They start losing distinction between game and real life so they treat others according to their in-game performance, not considering the person on the other end. The amount of such people in this game may be relatively small, but it's the vocal minority that you notice. That's the main reason I moved to this game from Rift ages ago, where the amount of such people was over 70% at the time.

Then there are inexperienced players trying to show off, who may act disrespectfully to prove how good they are and how much they know.

There are plenty of good hardcore players who only apply their standards to other hardcore players or within their own circles, without having to criticize casual players for being casual. Generally I see more positive than obnoxious players, but it's the few with bad attitudes that stand out and create bad impression.

[Adire]

Contributing your best effort should be an automatic behavior. To play detrimentally to your group because of laziness or apathy is to be selfish and not a team player.

In the JP community, it's expected that everyone do their best and put the group's interests above their own individual interests in most cases. In the NA (&EU?) community, the fact that this is up for debate says a lot.

No one should tolerate a dead weight teammate on anything in life. If you do this in the workplace, you'll quickly become frustrated as a useless team member gets equal or in some cases more credit than the hard workers.

[Xerek]

I think the distinction here is if people are slacking, or if in some cases people just aren't that good or still learning. If someone is slacking, then yes, something should be said. But what if someone is still learning? I've seen people like that get ripped into, because they're not practiced enough to run at 100% efficiency. That's kinda the buffer. Dead weight deserves to be growled at, but at the same time some people doing their best aren't going to be able to perform at 100% efficiency.

[BigRed5392]

i personally wish players were less cut throat over "differences of play style" and not go out of their way to be rude to others over it, using buzz words as baddie, noob, carry, mediocre.

Going out of your way to ruin another persons time over something arbitrary, that not everyone agrees with, is petty. It is stuff like this, that make me wish me and my g/f coulda stayed on tonberry. Least the jp community is more organised and less cut throat. Saddly my job sitation had us move or i wasn't able to get much done.

[SenorPatty]

i personally wish players were less cut throat over "differences of play style" and not go out of their way to be rude to others over it, using buzz words as baddie, noob, carry, mediocre.

Going out of your way to ruin another persons time over something arbitrary, that not everyone agrees with, is petty. It is stuff like this, that make me wish me and my g/f coulda stayed on tonberry. Least the jp community is more organised and less cut throat. Saddly my job sitation had us move or i wasn't able to get much done.

This so much man.

People need to let go and cut slack over faceroll content for all things. There are different venues in the game that push for excellence. Why get aggravated over that one person underperforming in a place like Sastasha or ARF for that matter is a mystery to me.

[Lexia]

I dont use the forums much but I find this interesting.

Stick around on it long enough and will find plenty of threads of people arguing who play style is better.

[Gemina]

Exhibiting proper etiquette and respect towards other players is probably the best way to ensure everyone is having fun regardless of their playstyle. Doing so typically makes you a welcome addition to just about any party as it encompasses everything players appreciate. Doing the opposite, as it implies, will take away the fun from others. Anytime I have read a positive thread talking about a great and fun group they were with, or one that was a total nightmare, I quickly noticed how each of these cases rang true, and it had very little to do with having BiS, or even optimizing every single GCD.

It is the exact same thing with any other group activity out there: Sports, squads, tandem activities, you name it. The fun is had and taken away in the exact same manner. I believe the majority of the community carries this expectation, and I know that I do as well. You have to sit back and reflect on if your idea of fun takes away the fun from others. If it does, you might want to show some consideration, and make some adjustments to your playstyle instead of trying to get people to change to yours. It takes MUCH less energy to do so.