Community expectations

[Ayer2015]

I don’t understand why the FF14 community is so focused on performing in the most efficient manner and so heavily on ilv/BiS. Given the low level of difficulty of all non-savage content, neither of these aspects really matter much at all. When did games stop being about just having fun....

I don't really have a purpose behind this thread… just my thoughts on all of the threads about min/maxing, under performing DF parties, and ilv.

[Greedalox]

When did games stop being about just having fun....

While I half agree with you, this topic is kind of loaded. A lot of people find being the best they can be to be fun too! I know that my boyfriend and I consider the destination to often be as fun as the journey

[Lexia]

While I half agree with you, this topic is kind of loaded. A lot of people find being the best they can be to be fun too! I know that my boyfriend and I consider the destination to often be as fun as the journey

Not saying you are cause I don't know you but those type of people can often be like a helicopter parent pushing their views on others and if they don't do it that way and be the best then they call others a bad players for it.

[Xerek]

Not saying you are cause I don't know you but those type of people can often be like a helicopter parent pushing their views on others and if they don't do it that way and be the best then they call others a bad players for it.

That's a bit unfair. Can be, maybe, but you make it sound like most do. I unsubbed over this mess because the only reason I made the anima was to have BiS from completion to SB. Despite that, I am the most patient and supportive person you could get in the DF. You a tank uncomfortable with big pulls? I'll tell you "Pull what you're comfortable with. I'll keep you upright." Am I tanking and you're a novice or unsure healer and say so? I'll slow down on my pulls and experiment with maximizing my skills and rotations. You apologize for not being the best? I'll tell you that you were perfectly fine, what matters is we got the clear.

[GeminiXIV]

I see alot of these topics stating a certain playstyle is being "enforced" upon them but never actually see it, you know, "enforced".

All I ever really see is people wanting others to carry their own weight. Theres absolutely nothing wrong with that.

I dont use the forums much but I find this interesting.

[Lexia]

I dont use the forums much but I find this interesting.

Stick around on it long enough and will find plenty of threads of people arguing who play style is better.

[Reynhart]

All I ever really see is people wanting others to carry their own weight.

Problem is, this "weight" is for the beholder to decide. Some people would not accept anything below the optimal result, even if a sub-optimal could do well "enough". Jobs were rejected for that, "bad" itemization is frowned upon for that, and, most importantly, customization on characters and items is rejected for that.

If "carrying their own weight" was shared by everyone, then the game could be enhanced a lot. That was one of the purpose of Stone, Sky, Sea, regarding parsers. SSS does not give a number, it gives you a threshold. If you're above, you're able to do your part DPS wise. If you fail in content, it's because you're still learning the mechanics, not your rotation.

And besides, if you look at the recent "Soar Skip" debacle, it goes even deeper. Winning Zurvan EX without skipping Soar is not a DPS issue at all. Yet, many PF parties will kick you if you fail the skip.

[Ryel]

Problem is, this "weight" is for the beholder to decide. Some people would not accept anything below the optimal result, even if a sub-optimal could do well "enough". Jobs were rejected for that, "bad" itemization is frowned upon for that, and, most importantly, customization on characters and items is rejected for that.

"weight" Is not subjective unless a PF is specific and nobody gets removed for being "x" class in dungeons.

Meeting proper minimum ilvl for a dungeon or at the very least keeping up with gear appropriate for the level of content isn't really that hard of a concept. Same goes for hitting more than 3 buttons and not being an ice mage etc.

What some players still don't understand is that there is very little choice when it comes to gear options and it's by developer design. They intentionally have made stats a non-choice so if you're a DPS stacking VIT or a tank stacking DEX you're probably doing it wrong and yeah I'd be surprised if someone didn't say something at that point.

If "carrying their own weight" was shared by everyone, then the game could be enhanced a lot. That was one of the purpose of Stone, Sky, Sea, regarding parsers. SSS does not give a number, it gives you a threshold. If you're above, you're able to do your part DPS wise. If you fail in content, it's because you're still learning the mechanics, not your rotation.

While this is mostly true If we're talking about things like primals or raids the case is often players joining parties they aren't ready for.

If you are still learning a fight's mechanics don't join a farm party. Yet all too often we have players complaining that they've been kicked for x or y reason when the reality is as simple as they joined a group on content they weren't ready for.

And besides, if you look at the recent "Soar Skip" debacle, it goes even deeper. Winning Zurvan EX without skipping Soar is not a DPS issue at all. Yet, many PF parties will kick you if you fail the skip.

Then make one?

No, seriously. Full stop. Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars.

If players really have an issue with the skip soar debate (which honestly doesn't require a massive amount of DPS to begin with) then make a party. Boot up the PF and create a "Soar learning party" or "Skipping soar not required party" and I promise you it will fill. It may not fill as fast as the others but it will fill eventually.

The vast majority of "all these PF's require X" arguments could easily be solved by players starting their own PF but many of them simply do not want to, regardless of the fact that it requires far more time and effort to create a thread on the forums complaining about it than it does filling a PF description.

[SaitoHikari]

In my opinion, you should always try to be as efficient as possible, within reason of course (nobody's going to expect you to use food/potions in a standard dungeon run, or mass pull if it's tank's first time in the dungeon unless the healer and the two DPS are really confident and encouraging the tank to do so), regardless of what gear you have too. If you're not genuinely trying your hardest, don't expect other people to try their hardest for you.

The bigger problem I find are those that constantly call out other people for underperforming and talk out their asses about having cleared harder content when countered, when a certain something tells me that they're nowhere near as good as they think they are. And I've run into LOTS of people like that. (Backseat armchair raiders really tick me off.)

[Ryel]

For starters "fun" is subjective.

Depending on the type of player you are, knowing you are able to and performing to the best ability of a job/class is considered fun.

When it comes to ilvl and gaining stats these are core concepts to seeing character growth and the RPG element of the game. An aspect most videogames especially those in the MMORPG genre are built on. Players like to feel they're getting stronger or that they're making progress and gaining stats is a great way to get that feedback via your interactions with the world (mobs/bosses die faster as you become more powerful etc).

As for why people want efficiency and speedier clears?

Because this game is built so heavily on the concept of repetition there's no alternative.

When you need to run your umpteenth Ex roulette for tome cap, your 80th A1s for lights, your hundredth FATE for an Atma drop etc and you know that there's more to do the game itself rewards and encourages expedient and efficient gameplay.

If i have to run something 10, 20, 100 times you can bet after the second or third time i'm going to want each run to go as fast and as smooth as possible because that is the way the content is designed.

Players tend to stop and smell the roses on the first run unless rushing for world first but on the 10th run you're expected to get the lead out and start moving.