Dps As Healer

[CorbinDallas]

I agree.

SCH is my main and I enjoy helping out full-time during battle which includes a lot of DPS'ing. In addition to be baffled to the "I only heal" crowd but I'm highly concerned that so many people actually feel comfortable bringing that type philosophy to a party setting. I would feel super uncomfortable being that lazy and expecting others to deal.

I physically cringe when I see a bunch of healers standing around doing nothing, or even worse, using various AoE healing abilities during the Life Gate DPS check during Dun Scaith. I make a point of /a'ing: "Isn't it amazing how there is literally 0 damage during this phase? It's almost like everyone has time to switch to their DPS stance! "

It's not about "every healer HAS to DPS", it's about respect. Queueing for multiplayer, team oriented content, and sitting there doing the absolute bare minimum, and this goes the 1 button DPS players too, is disrespectful to everyone else in that party.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You seem to crusade for WHM equality but honestly they don't have it that bad. They've never been locked out of groups (like AST was in the past) except for the top tier speedrun groups which is only <1% of the player base (and even if you lower ASTs healing they are skilled enough to keep using ASTs anyway) or if the party had WHM already since stacking same jobs is bad (but that is true for any healer type).

This is not entirely true. Based on parses uploaded, both Scholar and Astro are taken nearly 50% more frequently compared to White Mage. That means it isn't just speed runners, but a larger portion of the raid community as a whole. It largely stems from the fact White Mage is, currently, a weaker version of Astro. Whether they ultimately weaken Astro's healing or not, it needs some form of drawback. At the moment, there is simply no weakness to Astro and it's ridiculous utility.

[Watachy]

It's because this is a game where you have to group up with up to 23 other people to get stuff done. If you're not going to do your best just because "it's my sub", then frankly it just shows disrespect to the other people who's time you're wasting.

Here, enjoy my upvote

[bswpayton]

Ha I just started healing some endgame stuff starting it a step at a time I healed void ark yesterday and my damage was just not that great in celric Im using my dots and broil what am I missing on scholar to put up higher numbers I think I was only at like 400. I have the level 250 crafted book

[Celef]

It's because this is a game where you have to group up with up to 23 other people to get stuff done. If you're not going to do your best just because "it's my sub", then frankly it just shows disrespect to the other people who's time you're wasting.

I agree on that but (and I might be wrong) those fights are not designed to be needing a healer to DPS are they ? (and if they are, forget what I said)
Basically, we are supposed to be abble to clean the content with the team we have.

Some healer might be lazy and use the "it's my sub" excuse of course but I've met healers who suffered when they were forced to DPS cause they were not used to / abble to manage it and were not given the time to learn how to do both :/
We don't expect a BLM to heal if the healer has trouble do we ?
Why do we expect healers to DPS if the DPS are not good enought ?
It's a lot of work and pressure you are putting on someone's shoulder and I would not be surprised if it's part of the reason we have less healers than DPS who are just expected to do damage.

[Watachy]

We don't expect a BLM to heal if the healer has trouble do we ?

A healer have tools to DPS consequently, a BLM don't have any tools to heal properly.
That's the difference, plus not doing your best during runs is just a disrespect towards 3,7 or 23 others players which pay a sub too.

[Daisy]

Idk I always found this pretty simple. If my healer does dps, I dodge all AoE. If they don't dps, I stay in AoE as long as it won't kill me. This way I do a bit more damage and healer has something to do. If the healer doesn't want to dps AND wants you to dodge, they are lazy and should probably just kick em.

[CorbinDallas]

A healer have tools to DPS consequently, a BLM don't have any tools to heal properly.
That's the difference, plus not doing your best during runs is just a disrespect towards 3,7 or 23 others players which pay a sub too.

^ Pretty much this.

Cleric Stance isn't there just so you can clear solo MSQ content, it's part of you toolkit you should find a place to use wherever you can. We wouldn't have such a myriad of different attack skills if it was never intended to use them. Why give us Stone 3/Broil/Aero 3/Assize (the damage portion), if we were never meant to DPS? The ARR skills would suffice for solo story content, as easy as it is, heck they could remove every DPS ability and give us just 1 button to do it, then it would be apparent that we're only meant to heal most of the time.

Regarding BLM's healing, while not optimal in the slightest, at least they're trying. It can't be anything other than good intent if a BLM were to start spamming Physick when shit hits the fan. By the same token, going out of your way to deal damage when it is safe to do so is equally as amazing. It says so much about the player that says "I'm going to do more than is expected and help people kill stuff faster", than someone who sits there saying "I'm a healer, all I do is heal".

[Celef]

A healer have tools to DPS consequently, a BLM don't have any tools to heal properly.
That's the difference, plus not doing your best during runs is just a disrespect towards 3,7 or 23 others players which pay a sub too.

I agree with that but my main issue is the way those healers are treated.
When you come to a game and choose a healer class, what do you exepect ? Right, to heal !
Most of us were not prepared to DPS (yes novice hall telles you that but come one....did anyone really read those "tutorials" ? xD ) and where treated like shit when we said it or asked for tips on how to manage both (and when we failed at one of them when learning).
Again, I agree you may find lazy healers, but most of those that I met were pretty surprised to realise they were expected to DPS by others (especially by the way they were told so....)

I can easely understand why those healers tell you to get off if they kept being called various names during their learning ^^"

[Exiled_Tonberry]

WHM is easier to heal on since they don't have oGCD cards to weave, but they were never supposed to be the safer choice.

WHM was supposed to be the pure healer. The job that focuses on healing alone, and as a result would be better at it.
Yet this is kind of lost now that AST can heal as much as WHM and still use buffs as it's own unique thing.

AST can't be both. It can't have super strong buffs and strong heals. It is breaking healer balance and breaking the identity of WHM specifically. Nerfing their cards won't do anything because even smaller buffs is better than no buffs at all, WHM will be in the same spot it's in right now.

Yet giving WHM utility will only result in homogenization, where every healer has the same healing potential and the same utility. At that point I would just quit healing because it'll feel so boring being the same as the other healers with different animations.

Honestly the problem probably lies more in how poorly AST was designed. Instead of having its own unique way to heal, it just borrows off WHM and SCH kits and tries to make it their own. Then they added cards on top of that, which is the source of imbalance. AST is a WHM with cards, there's no denying it. I only hope SE has a plan on how to fix this.

For raiding most group compositions are SCH + AST or SCH + WHM. Do you notice which healer seems to more often have a spot? SCH. So legit question but why do you only think AST needs to be nerfed? You do savage raids right? So you should know what the usual group compositions are like; so I am confused why you think only AST needs nerfing.

Obviously Scholar needs some looking into. SE is apparently already addressing this. This though, so there's not much to say on it right now. We have no idea what they plan on doing with AST though, which is single handedly killing WHM. Now is the time to give feedback on what we think the job should aim for, not sit on our thumbs and blindly assume SE has it all figured out. If they did, AST wouldn't have been such a mess on release.