[SUGGESTION] Modify the function of "Need" option for loot

[Cordie]

Stating your opinion as a measurable fact does not equal fact. It's an opinion. You believe that the system is in need of change, others do not believe so.

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It's a terrible idea. If you want a particular piece of gear then learn that/those class/es and put forth the effort.

I believe that the system is in need of change, others do not believe so. I reason why I believe that the system is in need of change. Others fail to refute the reasoning.
Thank you for trying.

[Settiesama]

I reason why I believe that the system is in need of change. Others fail to refute the reasoning.
Thank you for trying.

People HAVE refuted with reasoning, you just refuse to acknowledge that reasoning because it goes against what you want.

Edit: Your solution is to ruin the game, Masekase gave an incredibly good reason as why your solution would do just that. We on the other hand, have a solution that makes it all so simple and doesn't require any form of game changes. Play the Job if you want the gear. See, how hard is that exactly? Don't play the job, why do you deserve it? Are you even going to use it if you aren't willing to play for the gear?

[Cordie]

People HAVE refuted with reasoning, you just refuse to acknowledge that reasoning because it goes against what you want.

The only thing I've seen is "but I need seals and desynths". This is not something they can only do while in a job/class that can roll "need". Where's the refutation? It's nowhere to be seen.

[Istaru]

The only thing I've seen is "but I need seals and desynths". This is not something they can only do while in a job/class that can roll "need". Where's the refutation? It's nowhere to be seen.

Definition of need
1
: necessary duty : obligation
Ex. no need to apologize
Ex. the need to pay taxes
2
a : a lack of something requisite, desirable, or useful a building adequate for the company's needs
b : a physiological or psychological requirement for the well-being of an organism health and education needs
3
: a condition requiring supply or relief
Ex. The house is in need of repair. refugees in need of shelter and food
4
: lack of the means of subsistence (see subsistence 2) : poverty
Ex. The community program provides for those in need.

Call me silly but even if for desynth or GC seals for a relic seems to fit the first one.

Turn ins for ranking up a FC seems to fit 2, 3 and maybe 4.

I am a unique and beautiful snowflake, I demand to have all the things I desire over anyone else's needs/wants/desires?

Not on the list, sorry.

Don't like it? Take it up with Merriam-Webster.

Have a nice day!!

[Cordie]

You aware that you dont want to change the loot-system, Cordie, but only make it more annoying and difficult to use gear for any other purpose but wearing it (may it be for glamour or stats)?

[...] non-crafters basically dont have a chance to get GC-seals, yet they are crucial to progress within the game - may it be relic, contribution to FC-crafts (like getting material for the airships etc.) or your squadron. And for crafters seals are actually that high in demand that "needing" them is totally valid (but ofc, you cant know that since you're not really a crafter...)

Yes and its a good reason - one that you cant understand when you dont craft. And while its not something that I can ONLY do with the class that can roll need on an item, by choosing a class that correspond well with my desynth-classes I can influence it quite heavly.

More annoying and difficult? Just "greed" in this case. Or let it time-out; much easier than interacting with any menu.

I didn't know "expert delivery" was the only way to get GC seals. Maybe they should have added more ways to get seals, haven't they done that yet?


The burden of choice on what classes you want to level lies with each of us separately. We can't complain that one class is more difficult to level (in desymth skill) than others any more than we can complain dps queues are slower than tanks'.

Definition of need
1
: necessary duty : obligation
Ex. no need to apologize
Ex. the need to pay taxes
2
a : a lack of something requisite, desirable, or useful a building adequate for the company's needs
b : a physiological or psychological requirement for the well-being of an organism health and education needs
3
: a condition requiring supply or relief
Ex. The house is in need of repair. refugees in need of shelter and food
4
: lack of the means of subsistence (see subsistence 2) : poverty
Ex. The community program provides for those in need.

Call me silly but even if for desynth or GC seals for a relic seems to fit the first one.

Turn ins for ranking up a FC seems to fit 2, 3 and maybe 4.

I am a unique and beautiful snowflake, I demand to have all the things I desire over anyone else's needs/wants/desires?

Not on the list, sorry.

Don't like it? Take it up with Merriam-Webster.

Have a nice day!!

Of course it's not in the list. And where did I mention "I am a unique and beautiful snowflake, I demand to have all the things I desire over anyone else's needs/wants/desires?"

Not in my posts, sorry.

Don't like it? Take it up with your reading skills.

Have a nice day!!

[Vidu]

More annoying and difficult? Just "greed" in this case. Or let it time-out; much easier than interacting with any menu.

I didn't know "expert delivery" was the only way to get GC seals. Maybe they should have added more ways to get seals, haven't they done that yet?

So... äähm, I'm getting this right you want a system that memorizes how you obtained an item (if it was through "need" or through "greed") and then change what you can do with this item based on this condition and the spiritbonding status?
If you can make it anymore complicated for no good reason, let me know, please!
And you dont want to change the loot-system at all - as in: keep the need and greed options - but make it more "difficult" to use the gear for any other purpose but wearing it?

...why again, excatly?
YOU believe the only valid need for gear is to wear it - while the game clearly thinks otherwise, by opening up all those different options on what to do with the loot. And its okay if you dont want to do that, thats cool - but here are enough people who would like to get their desynth/relic/seal/retainer-progression going - and the game supports that.
We're having items that cant be turned in (or desynthed) - Dun Scaith, Zurvan/Sophia weapons,... - so IF the devs want to ensure you only roll on stuff that you want to wear, they'll put it in the game. And seeing how those restrictions get lifted after a while, they obviously dont intend us to hold on to that stuff forever. And good lord I love it to grab those paladin shield&sword and get my 3k seals for them...

[Istaru]

Of course it's not in the list. And where did I mention "I am a unique and beautiful snowflake, I demand to have all the things I desire over anyone else's needs/wants/desires?"

Not in my posts, sorry.

Don't like it? Take it up with your reading skills.

Have a nice day!!

Hi pot, it's me, kettle.

Have a very nice day!!

[Ryel]

The only thing I've seen is "but I need seals and desynths". This is not something they can only do while in a job/class that can roll "need". Where's the refutation? It's nowhere to be seen.

This is only because you are viewing this from the wrong angle.

You would essentially be asking the least played roles to perform more work for the same rewards they get already when there is already very little incentive for players to play those roles in the Duty Finder.

You keep saying players haven't "refuted" your points but the system is working in it's current implementation, it's you who is trying to enact change thus the burden is on you to provide enough reasons for your idea to be desirable over the currently working alternative. Something that judging by the responses thus far you have failed to do.

This isn't a case of people telling you what they think should be the case it's players telling you what the case currently is.


Answer the questions from earlier:

Why as a tank would I even bother to queue for low level duties should your suggestion be put into place if I'm going to have to jump through additional hoops to need on gear I should already be defaulted to by playing the role?

Why would any healer bother to queue for the same reasons?

You have failed to actually answer these key points but instead are plugging your ears to the many people in this thread saying they are important factors.

If something like your idea were to be put into the game you would see many people who play those roles (myself included) not bothering with the duty finder as a tank or healer outside of the bare minimum required for certain quests which will only adversely effect queues for everyone the newer players included.



So once again if you specifically want gear for a certain role it is always in your best interest to play that role and lot need on the items if they drop.